Timeless Spirituality
Timeless Spirituality, hosted by Daniel "The Past Life Regressionist," is a captivating podcast that explores the depths of spirituality and its connection to time. Join Daniel and his guests as they delve into past life regression, astrology, and the timeless essence of existence. With occasional humorous moments, this podcast offers profound insights, making it a unique blend of enlightening entertainment. Tune in to connect with your inner self and uncover the totality of who you are and who you've been throughout time.
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Timeless Spirituality
Ep. 102 - Home(land) For All (ft. Fally Klein)
What if the key to thriving was as simple as an eighth note? In this episode, Daniel sits down with Fally Klein to explore how the idea of "home" goes beyond just a physical place, becoming a personal feeling of safety and belonging.
Their conversation touches on societal issues, looking at both past and present conflicts. Daniel and Fally talk about the significance of sacred spaces like the Temple Mount and draw on Jewish teachings about freedom and morality to clear up common misconceptions and encourage better understanding. They also explore the tension between war and peace, highlighting the importance of self-awareness and tolerance in building a more peaceful world. This connects to themes from the “Home” series, where the search for safety and peace reflects our inner journey.
This episode encourages listeners to think about their own journeys and inspire hope for a future where peace is possible, both personally and in the world around them.
Fally's Bio:
Fally Klein is a hypnotherapist and intimacy counselor in Brooklyn, NY. She also specializes in and is passionate about breathwork, a transcendent, trauma release experience. Never sitting still for too long, Fally's insatiable curiosity has been the catalyst for a life full of learning experiences. She is dedicated to spreading awareness and engaging in meaningful conversations, believing that knowledge is not only power, but the very foundation for healing.
Website: fallyklein.com
Folly Klein. Welcome back to the show. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2:I'm doing great and I'm excited. I love where our conversations go and I can never predict them, so take it away.
Speaker 1:I think we just found a jumping off point which I'm sure we'll get into in a moment, and then it's probably going to go somewhere completely different and swing back around full circle in some way or another. Yeah, there's no pre-planning. That really goes on when it comes to folly, because you never know. I mean, it's almost a waste of time if you're going to pre-plan.
Speaker 2:So, with all of that said, do you want to just quickly remind everyone who is folly? Folly is still figuring herself out, because that is what I am want to do. This is a very short life and there's a lot of stuff to do in this life. So we've discussed this before. My background is in hypnotherapy, but when I fall in love with something, I do it all the way. So hypnotherapy wasn't enough for me. I needed to go down the route of regression past life regression, spiritual regression, life between lives regression. I wanted to know it all and then from there I have this unquenchable thirst for learning, so there was just always more that I wanted to be discovering.
Speaker 2:I went to school to become an intimacy counselor. I went to many teachers all over the world to learn and really put myself into the modality of breathwork, and for years I was also kind of judging myself that there's so many different modalities and so many different things that I do. How do they all come together? And what I realized more recently is that they're all just facets of the same thing. It's the frequency of our highest thriving. Everybody wants to do very well in this life and I didn't always put this together when I was younger but I have synesthesia, where I don't really experience the world with five senses. My five senses bleed into one another so I can see sound or I can hear color, or I can hear sound on my skin, and I never really knew that that was actually a contributing factor to me wanting to learn so many different things that look different on the surface but really underneath it was all about frequency. It was all about what is the frequency for thriving and how do we get people there.
Speaker 2:So I was studying all of these different modalities or subjects but kind of finding their common thread underneath it all. So maybe I'm a searcher of frequencies, I don't know. In the Hebrew tradition we have this concept of something called the eighth note, which is going to be the frequency of Messiah, and if you go on a scale there are seven notes. But then if you sing the song Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti, and then you say and that brings us back to Do, but it doesn't really, it's kind of like it's something inside of us knows that there's an eighth note, there's supposed to be one more, but we don't know what it is, so we go back to the first. So I think I'm just a seeker of the eighth note, the highest vibration for our thriving, in whatever way, shape or form that takes.
Speaker 1:Do re mi fa, so la ti do zu.
Speaker 2:Zu Did we find the eighth note?
Speaker 1:That's just the first thing that came to mind.
Speaker 2:So zu in the Hebrew language means this, ze means this, and there is this phrase that we say that in the time of the Messiah we will all be able to point at God and say this is our God, because God will be so visible, the hidden meaning behind everything will be so visible. So I think you just named the eighth note. I think you're right, zoo, I'm going to go with that.
Speaker 1:I wonder what sound that would make on a piano.
Speaker 2:You do know that Daniel in the Bible was a prophet right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, sorry Everyone, I'm shaking my head. Yes, right now.
Speaker 2:So you know, if Daniel says zoo, I'm going to take it.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, it may just come with the name. I may have been Daniel, Maybe I was one of the lions, maybe I was the king, maybe I was just some dude out there in the crowd who was listening to something completely unrelated. Maybe I wasn't even in that place. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I was just kind of going off on a tangent there. Whatever it is, you heard it here first. The eighth note has been found. It has been named. It has been prophesied here first.
Speaker 1:Wouldn't that be something, okay. Anyways, back to the topic at hand. We're here to talk about home, and I think that we're going to tackle a different angle of home today, because throughout the course of the series, I've really taken a more gentle position on home and not really looked at the conflict of home, and I think that it's important to address that. So, with that in mind, what is home to you?
Speaker 2:That is such a broad question and so vague and so difficult to answer, and I'm going to really try to do my best. But home is a feeling. It's not a place. It feels like an experience, and I think it's something that we have to experience. On many levels. We have an externalized idea of what a home looks like. Right, it's the place where your bed is. It's the place where you can relax enough to drink orange juice out of the carton. That's kind of where my mind always goes. It's the place where you kick your shoes off. But also you can have many places like that, or you can have no places like that, even though there is a place where you put your head at night.
Speaker 2:There are many places, many people who have places to sleep at night that don't feel like a home. They've paid the bills, they've paid the mortgage, they have an address that you can find them at, but they don't feel like they're at home, and that tells me that home is something so much deeper than just a place. It's an experience of feeling like you are safe. It's the experience of feeling like you are welcome. It's the experience of feeling like you are seen and you are enough as you are, and that's why I feel like home could be a place for some people. Home could be another person who makes you feel that way, but for me at least, in my seeking, I've started to come upon the thought or feeling that home has to really start with how you feel inside yourself, because if you don't know what that feels like inside of you, you're going to be looking for home forever. Said by someone who doesn't really quite feel at home on this planet, why is that?
Speaker 2:Well, what perspective do we want to be taking? I feel like this planet I kind of said before when you asked me to introduce myself it's a noisy planet. There's so much going on. If we break it down to the level of frequency, there's always something happening. Your nervous system never gets quiet in this world, on this planet, at this time. Of course, you can always put yourself out there in nature and you can go hiking and you can climb up a mountain to meet God if that's your thing.
Speaker 2:But the way 2024, which is when we're recording this the way our world, our society, the push of the media would have you live, it's as distant from the feeling of home as you can possibly get. It's a state of constant nervous tension where all of your neurons are firing at all times and even when you're asleep, just cell phone towers, the frequencies that you're exposed to at all times. There's always a part of you that isn't quite surrendered or able to let go, and I feel that I think more acutely than most people. Whether it's because I have synesthesia, or because I'm just sensitive that way, or maybe I'm a deep thinker, or maybe because my moon is in cancer, I'm not exactly sure, but I think that I'm not the only one who feels that way.
Speaker 2:I'm probably pretty certain that quite a bunch of your listeners are nodding along as I speak and they're probably feeling very seen because more and more people today are just feeling like wait, something is, something's out of alignment, Whether it's with ourselves, I think. When we were younger, we thought it was us, we thought that we were the wrong ones, so we put ourselves in therapy for many years, hoping that someone or something or some pill you know can just fix us. And I think, as podcasts like yours are going out there and voices like mine are being heard, more and more people are realizing wait, maybe it's not us. Maybe we came here not to be fixed but to help fix what is out of alignment, and that frequency of home is very much out of alignment. We've destroyed the earth, mother earth, which should feel like a mother, and mother was our first home. Right, we all were gestated inside of a mother. If you destroy mother, you destroy home, and I think a lot more of us are feeling it these days.
Speaker 1:So how do we get back home?
Speaker 2:Like I said, there's a very beautiful line in Hebrew that's been made into songs that are very popular and the line goes like this In my heart I've built a temple and the song continues to glorify your name, and I have to translate as I'm saying it and the sacrifices that I'm giving are this but the light, the fire on this altar is the fire of my pure soul, of my pure heart, and I think that song and you like to do this right, you like to ask your guests what their song is, and I think I just fell right into that.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, that song speaks to me, because this is a song about, you know, after the Jewish temple was destroyed close to 2000 years ago you know more, but 2000 years ago, and this is something that Jews throughout the ages have held tight to that we don't have a temple, but the temple that we have has to be built inside of our heart, and I feel that very strongly. When we talk about home, we don't have a home, whether it's a home from a religious perspective, as Jews that we don't have a temple, or it's from the perspective of do we have a homeland or not, or a homeland is always in contest, but home has to be built first inside of our own hearts, and whether you're talking about climate change or mother earth, whatever home means to you, I think the journey to home really has to begin with the home that we learn to build inside of ourselves so you and I, I, we're both Jewish.
Speaker 1:I'm admittedly much more reformed.
Speaker 2:People like me, say about people like you he's Jewish. Emphasis on the ish.
Speaker 1:It's true. Yes, I had a bar mitzvah, but it's Jewish-ish. Yeah, ish, ish, which is cool. And look, it's cool to be Orthodox too. It's cool to be in the middle, it's cool. Whatever you choose to be, I'm all for that freedom of choice. To a certain extent it's not an all-encompassing statement, but With a caveat yeah, a little bit here and there. We don't need to get into that and everyone. Don't use your imagination, because whatever you're thinking, it's not that.
Speaker 2:Whoa, I wasn't thinking that, but now I am.
Speaker 1:Well, because then it's like oh, is he against a woman's right to choose? No, no. Is he against? Just so on and so forth. Everyone's going to fill in the blank with whatever opinion they have of me, because that's just what people do and that's okay I'm not People are great at that. Hopefully I'm better than what you think, or different, or okay, that's neither here nor there right now.
Speaker 2:But that's a home for me.
Speaker 1:I don't actually care what you think. That's good, all right, so we'll pivot now. It's a relief for me. I get goofy at night. I'm kind of like absent-minded in the morning, okay, but now I'm going to focus, I'm going to get back to home. So you brought up the temple and please correct me if I'm wrong here because you are, admittedly again, much more vastly aware of the scope of Jewish history and history in that region than I am. So the temple you're referring to is Solomon's temple, correct?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be the first temple. There were two. They were about 400 years apart.
Speaker 1:And this was King Solomon, who was the son of King David, who, in the Torah and Bible, was King David who slaved Goliath.
Speaker 2:Yes, of that fame, David and Goliath.
Speaker 1:And I like what you said there about the temple being inside, like inside your own heart. Is that correct?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And right now in Israel is it said that the location of the temple was Temple Mount of the temple was Temple. Mount. Yes, okay, and that is in Jerusalem. Yes, and it is an area please correct me if I'm wrong that is off limits to Jews right now because there's a mosque at Temple Mount.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's off limits to Jews by virtue of it belonging to the mosque. Right now it's not in our jurisdiction and it's also off limits to Jews because we consider that a very holy place that we wouldn't approach until the coming of the Messiah, whatever that would look like, whatever that would mean. We consider it sanctified ground. So we wouldn't feel comfortable, we wouldn't feel that it was our place to even step on the Temple Mount at this time.
Speaker 1:What does that mean at this time?
Speaker 2:We're in exile. The Messiah is not. And when we say the Messiah, we're not imagining some human savior that's going to come and miraculously announce to the world that, well, the Jews have dominion over everything. That is not what we believe the Messiah is. We believe that the Messiah is a coming of world peace, of a time where all nations can look at one another and see God in each other's eyes, when all nations will realize that the world belongs to all of us and we're all here to be the custodians of this earth, of this planet, of God's presence within us, within all. And so the coming of the Messiah is not. The Jews are the chosen nation and the Messiah will prove that to everybody once and for all.
Speaker 2:That is a very childish amateur and in fact I want to say it's influenced. It's a view of the Messiah that's actually been influenced by a lot of anti-Semitism. You know, anti-Semitism has fed that story a lot, to the point where many Jews even believe that without ever having questioned the source. But if you really study what the teachings of the Messiah are about, it's a time of wholesomeness, of togetherness, of. It's not that the Temple Mount belongs to me or the Temple Mount belongs to you. The Temple Mount is consecrated to God and we all worship the same God, we all believe in the Creator and we all want to come to that same place with love in our hearts, with openness, with devotion, and it's not. Oh, we have to rest it away from you because now it belongs to us. It's not about that and because, as an Orthodox Jew who has studied these things deeply and is very sensitive to these things, not just from a religious perspective but from a world perspective, it's so clear to me that that time hasn't come. And so not only is it sacred ground. For as long as it's contested ground, it isn't sacred. Do you understand? It's not. It's sacred, but it's contested, and the fact of it being contested means that it's not. It cannot serve its sacred purpose for as long as we're fighting over this ground. If there's bloodshed, then how can this ground be sacred? How can this ground be holy?
Speaker 2:In fact, when we talked about David and and solomon, so david killed goliath. That's what david was kind of known for. David was a commander of the armies and david brought peace. He unified the nation and, whatever you know, you can go read the bible if you want more details. But what people aren't. If especially if you weren't raised with the knowledge that I have studying this inside david was not allowed to build the temple. He had too much blood on his hands, and that's what God said. I don't want to reside in a temple that was built by hands of blood, and so you will always be King David and your name is passed down and you are the kingship, but it will be your son, solomon, who reigned in a time of peace, who actually had the privilege. And it's funny that you know that Most people don't talk about this as being Solomon's temple, especially in my world, and we kind of know that Solomon built it, but we don't refer to it as Solomon's temple.
Speaker 2:It's kind of the outside history, the secular history, that will call it Solomon's temple. But there's a reason it's called Solomon's temple because Solomon was a man of peace. There were no wars fought during his time. He reigned during a golden age. What other people also don't like to talk about or don't want to publicly acknowledge is Solomon had wives from the princesses of every land. When Solomon ruled the nation or the capital was not a homogenous Jewish capital, it was so diverse he had wives and in the Jewish religion. Back then, men were allowed to have more wives. This-.
Speaker 1:Well, and he had a lot of concubines too.
Speaker 2:He had like-.
Speaker 1:I don't know how that distinction ended up being made.
Speaker 2:There's wives, there's concubines 's there. There are legalities, actually, and how? What you?
Speaker 2:have to provide for a wife versus what you have to provide for a concubine, right? So there's there's still, you know, a lot of sex involved, but, uh, it's more the legalities of it. And, of course, obviously, if a princess was given to a king, there was like is she a wife, is she a concubine? How does that translate in terms of relationships with that we have, in terms of our allies? But, yeah, king Solomon's wives weren't all Jewish and that was one of the things that made Solomon's Jerusalem a golden age is that when you went to Solomon's Jerusalem, there were so many different cultures on display.
Speaker 2:We don't love to talk about this because this is kind of like our shameful thing. I mean, again, depends on how you view it, but Solomon also didn't tell his wives how to worship. Not all of his wives were Jewish and they were allowed to build temples to their gods in Jerusalem. And, of course, people have what to say on it. And was it a good thing? Was it a bad thing? Was he punished for it? Was for it? Was god happy with him? But the fact is, is that that's the man who built our temple and that is the man who ushered in that golden age, an age where everybody was welcome and everybody was honored and everybody was respected for choosing their own path and there was no um, no need for all of us to be the same and there was no need also for fighting or war or this belongs to me and that doesn't belong. It was just everybody is welcome and that generates peace.
Speaker 1:So this is the belief that's held by the Jews. Right now, I'm sorry, let me back up on that with what you said about when the Messiah comes, that that's when it will be home for all.
Speaker 2:Yes, again, and you have to be careful because, like I said, the Jews were a very large nation and were so diverse. Right, I'm not more Jewish than you are my path has just led me here.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's a good point. My path has led me here. Oh, okay, that's a good point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we're both Jewish, yeah Right. And we each have our own way of being Jewish in this world and expressing that Judaism, and there's no one right way or wrong way. Of course the people all the way on the right will tell you that they are right, you know but that, and they'll see that the people who are on the left have kind of left the path. I don't subscribe to that. The world is big enough and we're all here for our unique mission and purpose. We're like prisms, we're fractals. Every one of us contributes something new. So my journey is being here an Orthodox Jewish woman raising Orthodox kids, married to a rabbi studying Talmud, because that's what brings me closer to my mission, to my path, to my service. But I can't tell you how that should look for you. So you have to be careful when you ask about the Messiah to people, because some people are not educated past kindergarten. They're still going on the same principles that they were taught without having gone through it deeper as they've matured. Some people are subscribed to very right-wing beliefs or conservative.
Speaker 2:I'm just sharing with you where my studies have brought me. It's not just my studies inside the books, the texts, but also my lived experience has taught me this that home has to begin with you being home inside of yourself. You bringing that out into the world, that welcoming presence. I want people to feel that when they're with me they feel like they're at home, and I want to teach people. I don't want to ever have someone place their home inside of me. Thank you. I'm trying to make a home for myself inside of me. I'm not looking for squatters, but I hope that people will learn what it's like to start building a home inside of me. I'm not looking for squatters, but I hope that people will learn what it's like to start building a home inside of themselves by being in my presence, because if my presence feels like home for them, hopefully that can teach them something about what they can do for themselves.
Speaker 1:I mean, I like that. I have nothing to say to that, because that feels right to me. I think that's the way that it should be. I think everyone should find home within themselves and I mean it's such a sensitive topic that we've now ventured into, especially as two Jews talking about this, and it's like where we find ourselves in this moment, just, let's say, instability on earth, our home, there being instability in the home.
Speaker 1:And I wonder where beliefs factor into this, because, as I was kind of going down the path before with the notion of the Messiah, and then when the Messiah comes, that's when this place will be home for all, and then thinking to what you said about David not being able to build the temple because he had blood on his hands and without naming names, I mean, of course, there's plenty of blood to go around on both sides of the conflict right now the conflict at home, in people's homes.
Speaker 1:So where does the I don't want to say contradiction necessarily come into play? But the conflict with beliefs, when there's a belief that this is the way we find ourselves at home, or achieve what home is going to be, or bring back the person who's going to person, idea, essence that's going to usher in this era of home for all, but where it's been historically stated that this was not the way that it was done initially. So where does the conflict come into play with that conflict at home of? Well, this is the way we believe that it happens, but we're going to do the opposite right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is again such a nuanced question that I think we could talk about for a long time, and I don't know that I'm the right person. I'm not a politician, I'm not someone who's super smooth around all of these things. I don't have the politically correct responses. I can only talk in as much as my own life experience has given me my own unique view. That's okay and yeah, and I mean I'm going to go back to biblical times right Awesome.
Speaker 2:So the conquering of the land? Right? The Jews were a wandering nation. They wandered for 40 years. They weren't a military nation. In fact, when they first entered into the land of Israel, they weren't looking to fight. They came in with this was God's prophecy, this is our destiny. And they actually gave choices to people saying, hey, we're invading. But they weren't necessarily invading in a military sense. They didn't want to. They were just like we're here, you can fight us, leave us or join us.
Speaker 1:So actually do you mind if I jump in really quick?
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:I want you to definitely pick up from where you are, and I don't know if I've ever brought this up on the show before, but doing what I do, I'm a firm believer in karma, obviously, and I've always wondered if I found myself in a position where it was kill or be killed, would I let my beliefs interfere in that process and say, well, if I do this, then what are the karmic ramifications going to be?
Speaker 1:Or am I going to say I'll deal with that later, because if I don't do anything right now I'm going to be killed. So I just want to say I'm an advocate of peace. I want everyone to feel safe at home, wherever their home may be. I am not an advocate of war or bloodshed. I also like to think of myself as a pragmatic idealist. I have a way that I believe the world can be, and that's the idealist in me, but also that pragmatic part of me that says I see the way that things are. So again, this is not me taking a stand, but I just wanted to throw that in there first.
Speaker 1:About if I ever found myself in that situation, what would I do? Because I think we, even karmically over the last year, I've been asking myself is there a universal standard of morality? And if so, what is it? Who dictates that? And is it always about the action? Or is it about what's in your heart? And I don't know if it's that black and white, it may be much more colorful than that. I guess I'd ask you about that, since you can kind of pick up on colors more than the normal person. Not a good joke. Okay, never mind. But yeah, I'll leave it at that. I hope that that gives more context just in the nature of maybe home isn't so black and white and maybe we should find a way for everyone to feel safe at home, gotcha.
Speaker 2:So yes, first off, on the morality piece, I want to just bring it back to the Ten Commandments for a second. The Ten Commandments say you shall not commit murder. They don't say you shall not kill. And the primary difference between the two is when you are, when your life is threatened, we actually have a mandate. Your life comes first. You must if someone it's. I'm going to translate it in my head from the Hebrew but if someone comes to kill you, you should rise up and kill him first. Your life is not forfeit to somebody else's. Protect yourself at all costs, right, and so that is killing. And that is again in wartime. No one is justifying this.
Speaker 2:But there is bloodshot, bloodshed. Murder is something different. Murder is the unconscionable taking of life for no reason. It doesn't serve your purpose. It's your life wasn't threatened, right. Murder is when someone just performs a homicide. They weren't provoked, right.
Speaker 2:And murder can be about even in nature, right, destroying nature unprovoked. What did you do that for? Did it actually benefit human life, I mean? And there is a hierarchy of how life right, different life forms. The human being is the one that walks the planet, but that doesn't mean we get to step on all lower life forms. We still have to treat them with honor and respect and we can use them to benefit our life, but use them respectfully. Use them in a sacred manner, with appreciation and gratitude for the fact that they've been given here for you. We don't rape the planet. That is what you shall not commit murder is. But, yes, in the context of if your life was threatened, we actually have a mandate that you do need to protect your life.
Speaker 2:So, going back, and I don't know, I don't know what choice I would make. I hope I would never have to come face to face with that choice. Probably, if I ever had to be faced with that choice, I would freeze and die. Because I froze, because that's what trauma does Fight, flight or freeze. I would probably freeze and die.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but going back to the Bible, right when the Jews left the wilderness and entered into the Holy Land, they didn't come in with an intention to fight. They gave the different nations options. They came in with the might of God at their back and they were kind of like look, you know that we are going to settle this land, because that's what God had said and these were biblical times. I don't think we can really understand what that really meant on a practical level, to really have this deep-seated belief that God has said so and then, therefore, it must be. But they actually gave all of the nations choices you can fight us, you can join us or you can leave us. And some nations actually did leave and vacated in the face of the Jews and all of the miracles that they had received, and it was a worldwide thing and everybody was kind of like whoa, their God is an awesome God and mighty and fearsome. And they these were choices that they had.
Speaker 2:The Jews actually only had one mandate around killing. And there was one nation and to this day we don't know what nation it is. In the Bible they are called Amalek and we don't know who the Amalekites are. There are theories about this, but we don't know who they are. But what they represent was when the Jews were leaving Egypt, the Amalekites hounded them and they harassed them and that, even after God had performed all of these miracles and the Jews were on their way towards a home, they were leaving an inhospitable land and they were coming into themselves as a nation. They were homeless and there was one nation that made them even more homeless, and that is the nation that we are commanded to not let anybody live, and all the biblical scholars throughout the years have been like we don't know who this nation is. We have no idea, we have no way of identifying them.
Speaker 2:So what is the Bible trying to tell us with this mandate? Is that home, making people feel at home, giving them that grace, is such a core value? Because if you don't feel safe, if you don't feel at home inside of yourself, inside of your psyche, you are going to destroy this world Because your lack of safety in yourself. You are going to destroy this world because your lack of safety in yourself is just going to bleed out everywhere. You're going to end up destroying everybody around you. And so a nation that would run after you and torment you at your most vulnerable time is a nation that doesn't respect what home is, not inside of yourself and not inside of this planet.
Speaker 2:The Jews were a slave nation. Who were they bothering at that time? Pretty much nobody. So why would you prey on someone smaller than you, right? You know egypt, I get they were egypt slaves. That's, slave slavery existed. I'm not, I'm not arguing, you know, against slavery being a you know part of the times. But a nation that would go and like again, pick on someone so much smaller, so much weaker just for the sake of tormenting them, that is a nation that doesn't respect home. And if this planet is supposed to be home, a home for humans, a home for God, then that is something that God says you cannot let them live, whether it's them as a people or them as an ideology. So that brings us back to the idea of home and around your question.
Speaker 2:Now again, if you go through the Bible in later generations, of course there was war. We were led by human kings who made human mistakes and were led by their human hearts. I mean, nothing compares to the generation of you know the wilderness where they had God's voice in their ear at all times where God was present. That was the ultimate. It wasn't prophecy, it was revelation, right Once we kind of diminished and went into prophecy, which came through human mouths, heard by human ears, led by human hearts. Of course we're fallible, of course we made lots of mistakes. Of course we went to war and we're guilty of bloodshed and we did some terrible things in the name of God. In fact, jonathan Sachs Rabbi.
Speaker 2:Lord Jonathan Sacks has one of the best books ever written on this subject. It is called Not in God's Name, and he takes the Jewish, christian and Muslim view with such a practiced eye. It's so beautiful and he brings it back to our common source, because we're all Abrahamic religions. So he actually brings it back to Abraham. He brings all of this world conflict back to where it began, which is Abraham the parent. And it's kind of the thing that, going back to your question about, if you were face-to-face with this conundrum, what would you do? Right, what would you do in the face of that conflict? And we had spoken about this before we started recording.
Speaker 1:Let's just phrase it in terms of you know, we're in the context of home.
Speaker 2:Your neighbor is trying, yeah, okay, now that we've established that, If my home was threatened, you better believe in pulling out my gun If you invade my space and you violate my boundary and you put my life and my kid's life at risk. Yeah, war is messy. I mean, we started this conversation and it's not on the recording. You asked me my opinions. You know my thoughts on how the war is going and I told you what do you mean. It's war, war is a mess.
Speaker 2:Having a political opinion on war is kind of like. It's like the Hunger Games, where you have these kids fighting to the death and you have these wealthy aristocrats watching it on TV and providing a running commentary and it's like we don't get to do that. You know, this idea of providing a running political commentary on war is what? 100 years old, 200? Not even it's 100. It's just since the advent of the media that we think that we can have these privileged seats in the stands and we get to watch a war, life or death as it's happening, and have an opinion on this.
Speaker 2:But go through history. I mean thousands of years. War is a fact of history. There have been bloodsheds and right and wrong and horrors committed and atrocities on both sides. There's no running commentary. It's war. That's what war is it's messy, it's ugly.
Speaker 2:If someone invaded your home and your kids were sleeping in a room down the hall, you would not think twice, whatever it took, and in the back of your mind you ask yourself is there a moral price to pay? Is there an ethical price to pay? Is there maybe even a legal price to pay for what it is I'm about to do? But in that moment, when it comes to protecting your children and I'm not talking about which side of the conflict you are, I'm talking about life and protecting a parent, protecting their children, and we have this on every side of every conflict you don't think you do whatever it takes to make sure that your loved ones are safe and that your boundaries are restored. Now the question is not whether the war is being fought right or wrong, because it's war. The question is let's talk about the boundary, let's talk about whose home this is, let's talk about who has the right of way to this land, and I think that's the the conflict that everybody is weighing in upon without really knowledge of where this conflict began and what it's really about, and I think that's kind of the conversation that led us to say well, I think we better start recording and get this on tape.
Speaker 2:So why don't you take it from there?
Speaker 1:I imagine we'll just call it the cul-de-sac. These houses are very old, they've been there for a very long time and most people living in those houses cannot name the occupants of the house who lived there 10 generations ago, therefore having no idea what their squabble was with their neighbor across the street or next door. But it's been this perpetuation of we're always at war with our neighbors, we're never safe, we never feel safe at home and who's to say who's right or who's wrong when you don't know the cause of something? But also, why keep fighting if you don't know what you're even fighting about? It may make for a very interesting block party if you all come together and just celebrate or have drinks and try to move past your differences, but I don't know. It's difficult because I talked about this on another episode.
Speaker 1:I believe that I've lived as a Jew, a Hebrew, a Philistine, so on and so forth, that I've been on opposite sides of an age-old conflict or I've been incarnated into those different houses. So in one of those lives I've been part of this family or that family, so on and so forth. And I wonder at what point we just say we got to stop. We got to stop because if we don't, we're going to find ourselves living in that other house. And do we want that house to be infested with cockroaches when we move into that house? Do we want that house to be broken into all the time? At what point do we stop? And maybe it's the idealist in me that says, maybe we can live on a block where we keep our doors unlocked. That seems a little bit impractical, but I would like to live in that world one day. But at what point do we just say we got to stop this. And I don't know if a block party is the way to achieve that. Also Because you're always going to have one asshole on the block who's just not going to have that self-awareness.
Speaker 1:That, okay, everyone's coming together. Now I'm going to make my move. You don't know who that asshole is. You don't know which house they're living in, so you don't know which side of a conflict they're coming from. It could be the asshole who you like on the block, the one who's your favorite neighbor, or it could be the one who's your mortal enemy. You don't know. But there's always going to be that one asshole. So how do we achieve I don't even want to go as far as to say, a state of consciousness, but a way of being where we develop the self-awareness to just say all right, I'll cook the burgers, I got what's mine and you can have a burger. You're going to roast the corn All right, cool, we're cool. Burger. You're gonna roast the corn all right, cool, we're cool. Is that light beer? I mean, I prefer beer that's not light. This, by the way, I don't drink beer, so I don't know what I'm saying right now about the beer.
Speaker 1:But I'm getting hungry now I usually bring up the food references is it kosher?
Speaker 1:sure, ish, ish, yeah. Oh well, I don't like the light beer. Okay well, you're in, you're entitled to like. Is it regular beer instead of light beer, I guess, or just beer. But we don't need to go to war over you bringing light beer to the party. It's okay, like you brought your beer. Oh well, you know this is a communal picnic. I want what I want, like. Okay, there's other shit here at the table. Just eat something else. Stop being an asshole. Stop making such a big fucking deal about the beer. Shut the fuck up and enjoy yourself and don't be a dick.
Speaker 2:Well said, I really think you should be running for prime minister next. I don't know if I'll be able to garner enough support on either side. Just bring the beer. Everyone wants beer. It's a free beer. You got to vote.
Speaker 1:I remember there was a girl running for class president in the fifth grade and she almost won because she brought candy and she gave candy to everyone. I mean it was brilliant, but she didn't end up winning, didn't even win over a room of 10-year-olds. I don't know, maybe the beard work.
Speaker 2:Because it wasn't about the candy. You know, I mentioned this probably on the first podcast we ever did together. I had a kid. After 10 years. We had three beautiful children and then, due to my having had cancer, had a kid after 10 years. We had three beautiful children and then, due to my having had cancer as a kid, went into years of infertility and then had this amazing miracle child after 10 years. And when I was pregnant with him, I remember thinking to myself you know, I could be the mother of Messiah. I just don't know. This kid that I'm carrying he might be the Messiah. And I remember feeling so awake and so alive in his pregnancy. I kept thinking to myself what if, what if I'm carrying the Messiah? If I knew that this child was going to save the world, wouldn't I be as conscious, as aware, as dedicated as possible to every moment of every stage of his development? I was so there. And then, of course, as the pregnancy progressed and the birth and raising him, I keep thinking aren't we all the mothers, the potential mothers of the Messiah? The Messiah isn't one person, the Messiah is a consciousness, and it starts with believing. I am the mother of the Messiah In the again Hebrew, the way our grammatical structures are formed.
Speaker 2:In English, everything is very simple past, present, future. In Hebrew there are seven houses. It's not just past, present, future, it's also towards you, towards me, masculine, feminine, feminine reflexive. It's super. I'm a nerd, so when I was a kid I was like an expert in all seven houses and in Hebrew it's called dick took.
Speaker 2:You know the Hebrew grammar and in the, in the line that we say about the messiah. We say it in our prayers every morning. We translate it into english as I believe in the coming of the messiah, but the hebrew word that we're actually using doesn't mean the coming of the messiah. It can also mean the bringing of the messiah. It's one word that can mean both and as a kid you just translated I believe that messiah will come. As an adult, with my grammatical brain, I'm looking at this and I said that's not actually what this thing means. It means I believe that I have the capacity to bring the messiah, that I am part of this process and by viewing my pregnancy, as I am the potential mother of the messiah, what it taught me is that conflict has to end with me. It has to end with the way I'm raising my children and I don't know if it's going to end in my lifetime, but it can end with the next generation or their children If we, as parents, have decided to raise our children differently, to raise our children.
Speaker 2:You know, just a couple of generations ago our world, america, was segregated into white and black and it was incomprehensible that we would ever see the world not in that delineation of white versus black. You couldn't even conceive of a world where you wouldn't see someone's skin color before you fell in love with them. And all of a sudden we're not that far down the line and it's like race that of course there there's still racism, there's still a lot that has to be right, a lot that has to be overcome. But could we have ever comprehended that we would have gotten so far in so little time that we're at a place where race technically doesn't matter? Again, a lot of healing to be done. But could we acknowledge how far we've come? I don't think world peace needs to be so far out of reach if it starts with a bunch of mothers saying but what if? What if I'm the mother who can herald in the generation of Messiah, who can start teaching kids to see beyond race, beyond nation, beyond skin color, and the conversation that we had before we turned on the recording of, is what do you mean? How well are we doing in this war?
Speaker 2:The atrocities? Nobody deserves it, on either side. It's never okay when innocence right Whose fault? We start pointing fingers. The thing about the past is the past is full of atrocities on both sides. Nobody is innocent. You know, in the matter of the battle right in in one discreet battle you can have, this is the guilty party, this is the innocent party. But we're not talking about a battle, we're talking about a war. It's much bigger than one battle. Yes, you know, in romeo and juliet. There's a reason why these stories pass down through the ages because we all identify with this feud that last generations and that hurt the children, the children who have no cause to fight and yet they're roped in to the point where their death is on whose hands? On a feud that nobody can even name. And of course, there are atrocities committed on either side.
Speaker 2:And if you want to look at the atrocities and you want to hold people accountable for the atrocities, you're going to go back to the beginning of time. You can't live life that way. You have to live for the future. You have to look at your pregnancy and saying I'm ushering in a new generation, I can't fix what came before. But is it actually on me to fix what came before? Our last interview that we did together, I think it was our last or the one before last. You know our last interview that we did together I think it was our last or the one before last I had mentioned my perspective on the Ten Commandments. Right, and I'm not going to go over them here, because anyone can just you know. You should search up our last interview and listen to it yourself.
Speaker 2:But one of the things that I believe about the Ten Commandments A is that they're not commandments. The Hebrew word does not translate to commandments, they are promises. The word Dibros means my word and in English, when we say I give you my word, it's my promises. Right, it's my covenant. God is telling you the secret of creation. That's one thing that I believe with the Ten Commandments, if you read them very clearly and you do have to read them in the biblical Hebrew the English translation loses so much Because, like I said, the biblical language is a lot of reflexive pronouns and verbs and there's so much there that it's layers and layers of depth and reading it in English is very, you know, one dimensional. And the other thing I believe about the 10 words, the 10 promises, is that they go in order If you really follow. Number one. Number two is self-understood, and number two self-understood. Number three, they all kind of really flow. Number two is self-understood and number two self-understood. Number three, they all kind of really flow.
Speaker 2:So the fifth commandment is you have to honor your father and mother. Interestingly, the Hebrew language does not have really a word for honor. The word for honor is the same word as the word for gravity, which means heaviness and strength. It's also the same word for liver. It's also the same word for liver, the organ in the body, and liver in Chinese medicine carries anger. When we confuse right honor and heaviness and all of this anger, we make such a mess out of things. And the commandment says honor your father and mother, Don't get involved. The gravity of what has come before you, the gravity of what lies between your mother and father.
Speaker 2:There's another fascinating thing about the way these words are played out. It says kaved es avicha, ve es imecha. So es means the. You know, honor your father, well, and the and your. It's again. There's no, there's no real perfect English translation, but the fact is that the way it's written in the Bible that word is extra. It doesn't need to be there, which is so fascinating, because the Bible is very concise, it doesn't use any extra words. So why would the Bible say, like it could just as easily have said but it says, there's this whole extra word?
Speaker 2:Now, that extra word, if you look at it visually it's and aleph through tav, which is like in the English language, saying and A through Z. Honor not just your father and mother, but the A through Z, that is, between your father and mother. Do not get involved in what is in your parents' marriage and your parents' relationship. If you do, do you know what the next commandment is? You shall not commit murder. So I look at all of this murder going on in the world. It's not killing, it's murder. I mean, killing is is one thing, and we discussed that before protect your life at all costs.
Speaker 2:But I think we've gone beyond the scope of killing. It's murder, it's violence and it's not. I mean, the middle east is a great place to talk because it's just a hot spot. I think it's like a. It's such a sensitive area for so many different religions and cultures is that? I think Israel is like a microcosm for what's actually happening in the rest of the world. So it's a reason why we're so dedicated. People who have nothing to do with Israel just seem to want to talk about it, and I think it's because Israel is that microcosm. It has something there for everybody. Every nation learns from what Israel is going through, and what I learned is I wanted to know, I just wanted to know where this conflict began, because it's been, it's been killing me, you know, as a Jewish person, and it's my homeland, but it's the Palestinian homeland too.
Speaker 2:It's, it's a homeland for. So it's, it's, it's our home. It's not just our homeland, it's our home and it's our home planet and everyone on this planet, I mean. We're all human. We all belong to the same race, right? I mean, when the aliens invade, do you think that they're gonna care if I have black skin or white skin, I'm gonna be just as human as you are. You know, nobody cares, we're all from the same, we're all the same and I just this amount of murder and conflict. It just doesn't. I don't understand it.
Speaker 2:So I wanted to research the origins. And it's scary because when you go through history, you're not always on the right side of history. Like you said, whether you're a past life regressionist and you see where you've been born into, you haven't always right. You've played all sides of the conflict. So, as a Jew who takes my Jewish heritage very seriously and I'm loyal to it you know reading history and realizing we aren't always the nice guys. Sometimes we've been the perpetrators. We haven't always been correct. You know it's, it's. It's hard to look at that and acknowledge that, because you want to believe that you're the victim. You want to believe that you're always right and you aren't. But I was trying to understand where is it sourced? Where did this begin? So, on the most recent level of history, okay, I mean, think about the Palestinians. They were living there for eons. There were Jews living there too, and they never seemed to have conflict between one another. And then you had the Ottoman Empire.
Speaker 1:That was just some neighbor squabbles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, neighbor squabbles. You stole my sheep, I ate yours. I don't know whatever it's, just over the sheep. You know they. You stole my sheep, I ate yours. I don't know whatever, it's, just over the sheep. You know they were simple people, the jews and the palestinians who lived in israel, whatever you mid the middle east just simple people, first world country. They weren't bothering anybody, they weren't bothering each other. And then you have the ottoman empire. That was one in a succession of many empires that have taken over and disputed these lands in the last 2,000 years, right Ever since the second temple fell.
Speaker 1:You got the Romans, you got the Babylon.
Speaker 2:Babylonians, right, you have the Crusaders, the Turks, the Ottomans. You have then the British mandate, right? Most recently, we had the British mandate, so you have the British mandate. Right, most recently we had the British mandate, so you have the British. The Ottoman Empire gets overthrown by the British mandate. Who takes this over? They want to populize, you know, did I say popular? Yeah, they want to populate, populate, populate this. They want to modernize this place. This is a nation of Shepherds. The Jews were a nation of Shepherds, so were the Palestinians. They weren't bothering anybody.
Speaker 2:And then you have, you know, britain, who comes in and they want to, or any conquering nation that wants to come in and utilize the land for their own, and they want to colonize the land. That's the thing. All of this land has never been, um, settled, it's been colonized. There's a big difference. A colonized land is not a land for themselves, it's a land that's being used for the home country. It's like having a mine in someone else's country and you're digging up gold or you're digging up diamonds, not to serve you, not to serve your country, but to serve. I mean. It's what we rebelled against in america, right, we rebelled against uh being a colony of england, where you just use us and abuse us for your sake. So the Middle East has been colonized, not settled, colonized for thousands of years.
Speaker 2:And then the Jews came, after the Holocaust. They were the victims of the world. Everybody felt bad for them. They wanted home. They wanted to go home and the British mandate was allowing them in. And the Jews were like, finally we get to go home. And they weren't thinking allowing them in. And the Jews were like, finally we get to go home. And they weren't thinking about the Palestinians, they weren't thinking about starting a fight. You know, they weren't thinking at all. They were traumatized survivors. And then, all of a sudden, they rebelled against this idea of why are we someone else's colony? We don't want to be someone's colony. And they rebelled against the British mandate, right? And so did the Palestinians, by the way, this wasn't just a Jewish fight. They just realized we're done. We are done being colonized, and they became settlers and owners of the land.
Speaker 2:And then the conflict again. I don't really believe. Of course, there were a lot of terrible things done on both sides, and there are always. You know who stepped on whose toe first and how did that escalate into? You know you stepped on my toe and now we're just killing each other's babies in the night. Right, it started to start small. It escalates a lot of we're not pointing fingers. But when I looked at history I'm like why isn't anyone talking about the fact that the real perpetrators here are the people who colonized this land, not the people who settled this land, to build this land to make it better and more beautiful for the people living there, and of course, there were mistakes made in the process.
Speaker 2:I built a home and of course, the first thing you do when you buy a property and you build is you go to your neighbors and you buy them cookies and you're like I know it's going to be hell living next door to a construction site for a long time. You might get vermin mice, you might have to deal with a lot of noise. Don't call the authorities on me. Like, let's be friends, I'll give you cookies and if you have an issue with my builders, just call me. Right, don't give me stop work orders. I mean, I don't know where you guys live, but I live in brooklyn.
Speaker 2:We're all on each other's faces and of course there are feuds about I told you not to build up and put a window across my window and now I have no privacy and there's an extra neighbor you don't talk to because they're peeking into you. There's always that it's hard. It's hard to live with neighbors and you try your best and I'm sure as the Jews built and as the Palestinians wanted to preserve their way of life, there are neighbors getting into neighborly feuds, but what they're not looking at is where did this feud actually begin, with colonizers who said it was absolutely okay to do what you wanted to the land as you wish, because the people in it didn't matter. And no one's looking at that. Like, where did we inherit this way of disrespecting our neighbors from? Where did we inherit this way of like it's my way or the highway we inherited from a parent country, and so then I had to go deeper in history. And no one's blaming the parents. You realize, no one's blaming the parents.
Speaker 2:We're kind of, we're blaming each other, but that's always how it works, because I'm a parent and I know that when I'm not at my best right, because I have my bad days, the kids feel it, but they're not going to take it out on me because I'm the mom and there's a power dynamic there. So who do they take it out on? They take it out on each other, and when kids fight, it's usually something that the adults have kind of brought into the home, right. It's never about, like, when siblings are fighting. It's never really about the siblings. They're taking out a bad day in school with one another. They're taking out their frustration like, oh, my parents are fighting and I'm concerned and I don't feel safe, so I take it out on my sibling.
Speaker 2:They just pass on what they got from those that came before and I think, okay, in recent history, we are passing on what we've received in terms of our generational trauma. Jews have gone through the Holocaust. We had violence embedded in our systems. We swore never again, without realizing that never again makes us ready to be perpetrators. We're ready to fight in a way that we haven't fought before, and someone who's ready to fight or constantly on uh alarm will see a threat everywhere, even when a threat doesn't exist. And then again, we're also not willing to look at where did we get this from right, who? And so I went further back, because if this is what's happening now, it didn't really start now. We have thousands of years of contest around this land, so where did it begin? Begin? And honestly, it's the three Abrahamic religions that are fighting over this land. It's not the Buddhists fighting over Israel, it's the Jews, it's the Christians and the Muslims, and we have one common father, abraham.
Speaker 2:And so I delve deep into the Abrahamic legacy and his story. One man, two wives, two sons from both of these wives One was the favored wife, one was the wife that was sent away. You have two brothers who loved each other, and they really did. If you read the Bible and you read it with a discerning eye, they loved one another. Isaac really looked up to Ishmael. He considered him as, like you know how little brothers are around their big brothers, they worship them. They were 13 years apart and he did everything that Ishmael did. In fact, that was so concerning to Isaac's mother, sarah, that Isaac's mother told Abraham, her husband, send Ishmael and his mother away, because she didn't like how much her son loved his big brother. He worshipped him, he would do anything to be like him, and his mother said send them away. And so that's what Abraham did.
Speaker 2:He chose between his two wives, he sent one of them away, and then you have these two boys, these two brothers, who adore one another, but their hearts are broken because they're also loyal to their mothers. So how can they love one another while also being loyal to their parents? How can they love one another without hating their father for what he has done to them, but they love their father? Isaac was ready to sacrifice his life on the altar when his father was going to sacrifice him to God. Think about that conflict of who do you choose? Do I choose my father? Do I choose my? You choose, do I choose my father? Do I choose my mother? Do I choose my brother? Do I choose myself? And there is no question that these brothers loved one another, but they had these loyalties.
Speaker 2:And again, what's not commonly known is that after abraham, after the covenant, after he tried to sacrifice isaac and then, of course, he sacrificed a ram, you know, instead, um isa Isaac didn't go home with his father, he went home with Ishmael, his brother. That's who he loved. That's where he recuperated from this ordeal with his brother. Another thing that, again, I don't know how commonly known, it is outside of Orthodox Judaism and we learn these things that they say that the ram that was sacrificed in Isaac's place, the horn of that ram, is going to be the shofar, the horn of the Messiah, that when the Messiah comes, that is the horn that he will blow and that is going to be the vibration. That eighth note that the world is waiting for that settling of peace, of like. Oh, you know, when you hear certain music and you breathe a sigh of relief, right, there's something about that sound that regulates your whole nervous system. That's the horn of the Messiah. When he comes, we're gonna hear that vibration. But where did Isaac go after the altar? He went to his brother. He went to the brother that he loved. He understood.
Speaker 2:I will never be able to understand or resolve the conflict of my parents' home, my father and his two wives, and what is between them. It's none of my business. I can't. I can't fix this, and if I try, if I try to exercise my loyalty towards it's my mother versus your mother. But we both love our fathers, but we also hate. It leads us into the next commandment you shall not commit murder. You get involved in the disputes of your parents. Murder is next on the table. And so what I see? You know, I've spent a lot of time all over the world in my trainings and my trainings are not like jewish trainings. I've met people from all different cultures.
Speaker 2:It's interesting sometimes when you have these years of hatred built into your system and you walk into a room with this beautiful muslim woman who can't look you the eye and then, after 10 days of training together, you end up in each other's arms, crying and saying we are, we're sisters, we're brothers, we're family and we mean it. And we cry over these years of baseless hatred and we cry over the fact that we know that if it came to protect our children, we would do it all all over again. We would not find each other on the same sides of the equation because when it comes to our children, we'll do anything to stay on our side of the fence and protect our side of the fence. And you look into this other woman's eyes, this woman who has finally learned to love you, because she realizes that all the stories she has been told about you jews with their horns and jews robbing babies out of cradles and drinking their blood that's just baseless. None of that's true. And we cry because we have this hope that we can raise our children better, that hopefully our children when they meet in a common space in a generation. From now they won't have to look past our religion, our skin color. They'll just be at ease with one another the way brothers are.
Speaker 2:And so I would just remember sitting with this beautiful Muslim woman, and I was actually I'm speaking this happened many times, but I'm thinking particularly of one where these two precious autistic boys and they were there with her because she couldn't travel without them. So she was on this training and she brought these beautiful boys and and they were my heart was with these kids. They were non-verbal but they just beamed love, and I just remember feeling like love is love. These autistic children have no idea what race they're, from what creed, what religion they are unadulterated love. And I remember sitting with this woman and we were talking about what would it take? Does it take autism? Does it take illness? Does it take what would it take? Does it take autism? Does it take illness? What does it take to raise the generation of the Messiah, where our kids know nothing but love, where our kids don't know that division?
Speaker 2:Can we erase thousands of years of conflict in history? We cannot rectify history, you cannot. If there's to be a reckoning and if there's to be an accounting, we will never end and we will just continue perpetuating this violence. It has to stop with us saying I'm really done. Whatever came before is none of my business, it belongs to my parents. I can't get involved with which has come before me. It's not my fight. What is mine is what comes with me and beyond with me and after. That's the only thing I can affect. I can't change what came before and we have this skewed view of like. But you got to make it right. We like these checks and balances right and I just don't believe you can rectify the past. I just think that you're going to pay it forward, no matter what you do. So you get to decide what you're paying forward. Are you paying forward a legacy of violence, a war that wasn't even yours to begin with? It belonged to your parents. Or are you paying forward a legacy of love, because that's what you choose and that's the world you want to live in and that's the world you want your children to know? But it's a choice and I don't know how to make that choice, because we do live in a world of fear and if you are threatened, you're not going to choose, you're going to react on instinct. But what I do know is that our instincts are so determined by our practices, are so determined by our practices.
Speaker 2:Um, I took two years of kickboxing, like in 20, I don't know 2015, 2016, and I'm a small person and I was never going to be this amazing kickboxer. You know, like you, just look at me and it was fun, it was just an outlet, but I, you know, I, I have it under my belt and then I left it and I kind of moved more into just regular Pilates gym. You know the stuff that women do, and recently I was in a breathwork training. It's a training that I actually teach and so students were, you know, facilitating each other and doing sessions on one another. And the tricky thing about facilitating breathwork and facilitating someone's body is that when you're new at this, you don't know what you're touching and you might hit someone's trigger points. You might hit someone wrong and someone hit a trigger point on me and I roundhouse kicked them to the face and split their lip open and I feel really guilty, but also not so guilty. It was a lesson for everybody in the room Don't breathe with you know, don't don't be on the mat with your shoes on and also be careful where you touch a client and how hard you press. But my instant thought was you know, I still got it after all of these years 2024. And that was way.
Speaker 2:In my past two years of kickboxing, those instincts kicked in hard. You hit a trigger point and I kicked you in the face. And that's that thing. When we're going to be tested, when your life is on the line, your instincts are going to kick in. But your instincts will always be determined by your practice. Two years of kickboxing practice gave me instincts that now know how to protect myself.
Speaker 2:Are your instincts born out of love? Are your instincts born out of hatred or are they born out of fear? And I think you get to choose that, and we're a generation where that choice is going to be very hard. I hope that our children won't have to face that choice. I hope for them it will be in inborn instinct. But if we want them to have an instinct towards love and community and connection and brotherhood, it has to start with us making that choice. And is it fair? It's not fair. It's never fair. It's never fair that we have to choose something when it should have been our birthright but it isn't. So we can bemoan it that it wasn't our legacy.
Speaker 1:Sorry, was that fair or fear?
Speaker 2:A-R-R. Fear, no, fair, fair, yes, fair. Is it fair that we inherited a legacy of violence? That we inherited, right, a legacy of violence? It's not. Would I wish to have received a legacy of love and kindness and Brotherhood? Yes, you get to decide what you want to do with that inheritance. You is that the inheritance that you want to receive, or would you like to say I get to start something new? And it's a very difficult choice and you have to keep making it and I don't think we can make it perfectly, but I don't need to get it perfect in this generation. I think I have to start and hopefully my kids will continue, and your kids and our kids, and who knows what this world can bring. But it has to start with our choice. And, yeah, I'm not going to have a political commentary on what's actually happening in the war. What's happening in the war doesn't really I don't care. I mean I care, but my focus is on the temple that I build inside my heart.
Speaker 2:My focus is on the home I build for myself and for my children and the home that they will then bring out into the world, and then we can create a critical mass. I probably won't live to see it in my lifetime, but you never know.
Speaker 1:So one of the things I've heard that can be very triggering for victims to hear is to move on, and I can understand why that would be triggering. Just move on, just move on. It's like, well, maybe it's not that easy. My belief is that at some point you have to say it's time to move forward. I think that there's a huge distinction between moving on and moving forward, and I think that moving forward doesn't undo what's already been done. I think it's important to know your family history, to know the legacy that you come from and what your great-grandparents went through, and your grandparents and your great-great-great-great-, great-great-great-grandparents, so you don't repeat the mistakes that they made. I think that's why history is so important, because if you don't learn history, you're bound to make the same mistakes. But at some point you just have to move forward and say it's time to do things differently. I'm not going to forget, but I got to move forward. I can't stay stuck in place and that's why, with that neighborhood block party or your neighbors, I think it comes down to what's inside and that they have to make that choice, just like you're saying the way you want to raise your children. I think that's where it goes. I think that's moving forward, because it's like you can raise your child to say, or say to them live in this state all the time, always kick to the face more than once, more than once. Right, because that's the other thing. You could have kicked more than once, but you had that reaction. You kicked to the face once and it's like, okay, we can all learn from this, we can move forward.
Speaker 1:And so, at what point do you move forward? What point do you settle your sibling beef? At what point do you stop fighting over things that happened with your parents' generation and so on and so forth? At what point do you just say, all right, let's get rid of the roaches in everyone's houses, let's all work together and look what you do in your house, you do in your house, what I do in my house, we do in my house, I do in my house, but we're all going to live in peace. And that's my two cents Folly. If you have anything to say on that, go for it. If not, we can move on to the Saturn game. So any final thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:Saturn game. You said moving on, moving forward. Right. Right before I came on to this call, someone sent me a beautiful meme. It said I think there's a difference between letting go and letting it be, and you really don't have the capacity to let things go. They live inside of you, especially trauma survivors. Like you said, it could be triggering to them. You can't let go of trauma. It changes who you are as a person and I've seen so many times where victims have needed to get closure, so they needed to talk to the abuser or whatever it is, or take revenge, and did they really get closure? Closure is a myth. It's just like home is a myth. Closure is something you have inside of yourself, and what do people do whose perpetrators are dead? Right, they can't get what. You're never going to get closure because the person who hurt you is dead. That's not how this works. Closure is something you choose for yourself, not by letting it go, but by letting it be.
Speaker 2:One of the things I like to tell people is let your past inform you, but not define you. You get to choose. You get to take all of your history and again, as regression regressionists, our history is so much bigger than just from birth till now. It's all of these lifetimes. Do you really want to pigeonhole yourself? Do you want to put yourself in this little box of I? Belong to this continent, to this race, to this religion, to the skin color, I mean sure. But as souls, we're here to have a much bigger and broader experience of life, of many lives. We came to learn many lessons, and my hope is that with enough of this.
Speaker 2:I think it's really amazing that past life regression is becoming a thing and people are waking up to the fact that your world is so much bigger than just the life that you're living right now.
Speaker 2:You are so much bigger than just the person or the faith or the race or the religion that you're in right now. And if you know that you are all, then you can look at all of those people that you encounter and realize that they are all two. We are all one, and that is what I mean by let your past inform you. You've done good things, you've done bad things, you've done horrific things. You've done bad things, you've done horrific things, you've committed atrocities. You've also been the victim. Let it inform you, but ultimately you get to choose One of the things we laugh about my friends who are in the in this world. So people love to come to the past life session and find out that they were some like I don't know queen in another lifetime. Right, and they're pretty arrogant or not great people in this lifetime this one you know current and they're like well, I was a queen in the last lifetime, so y'all got treat me with respect you have to.
Speaker 1:You know you should be bowing to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, pete, you would be amazed at how many clients you know we're not my clients, but people out there who have experienced a past life at Russian are 100 convinced that the world owes them something because of who they may have been, or imagined to have been, in history. And it's like no, it doesn't matter who you were in history, it doesn't matter if you were Daniel the prophet Today. You're not Daniel the prophet Today. You're Daniel the podcast host, who is a regressionist and all of the human aspects that you're struggling with in your life. It doesn't matter if you were a high king somewhere, or a priest or a queen or a farmer. What matters is what you're choosing to do with this life right here, because this is the life that's going to take you forward. This is the life that's going to take the planet forward. So we get to choose, and I think that's how we build home. Home is not a house, it's a choice. It's a choice about how to show up.
Speaker 2:And going back to the bible before we go to your saturn thing, um, in the bible we have seven shepherds. We have abraham, isaac, uh, yeah, abraham isaac, jacob, moses, aaron, uh, joseph and david. Those are the seven shepherds, uh, the forefathers of the jewish nation, and it's so interesting to note that they all wandered. Each one of them wandered. They had to leave their homes. They didn't settle, and the one, though, that became the king was joseph. He became the king of egypt. He was kicked out of his home, right, and David as well, but David is a separate. It's a different kind of kingship. David and Joseph are the two kings. Joseph was kicked out of his home, and so were all the other forefathers. They all had to wander.
Speaker 2:So what was it special about Joseph that he became king Is that he was in a foreign country, and the brothers who ostracized him, the brothers who tried to kill him, were the ones that he invited into this foreign country. He could so easily have taken revenge. He could so easily have said you kicked me out of my home, you tried to murder me, I don't owe you anything. And instead, when they came down to Egypt because there was a famine in their land, they didn't know that their brother was king. They thought he was dead. They had no idea. I mean, it's the most epic reveal in Genesis the brother's finding out that their brother is alive and he's the king. You know.
Speaker 2:But that's what made him king is that he didn't just rule a nation because he was smart and powerful. He created a home for people that we can arguably say didn't deserve a home. His brothers didn't deserve home after what they did for him. But that's what made him a king. He created a home for people, even people who had hurt him, and that's what David ends up generating later. And he created this home for all of the nation and that's why his son, solomon, built the home for God. But it starts with choosing to say it ends with us. The violence ends with us, and that's what creates home. It's a safe harbor.
Speaker 1:I agree. All right, you ready for the Saturn?
Speaker 2:game. What is the Saturn game?
Speaker 1:So the Saturn game. I think we played this before. I don't think I had the name for it back then, but in this baggie I have four different periods of time. We played this before, right we did okay so I'm gonna go in and grab watch. You can see I'm gonna mix it up, hand out. So you see I'm not rigging the game hand out again, mixing it up, and I should have taken with the third one mixing it up and I should have taken with the third one.
Speaker 1:Fourth, time's the charm, two popped out. Which one? The one that popped out that I had in my hand, or the other one that I feel like they're connected. You're going to have to open them both and we're going to figure out how they're connected.
Speaker 2:Which one do you want me to open first?
Speaker 1:The one that you actually had your hand on. Okay, folly, how have you grown?
Speaker 2:in the past month. Wow, where has the month began or end? I'm a parent, I don't know. These days bleed into one another. How have I grown in the past month? Well, this past month. So we're recording this mid-September. So I don't know what it's like for other parents, but in my community this is a hard month. It's the month that the kids are in between camp and school, and so it's mommy all day, every day, and my growth has been many fold.
Speaker 2:I think for the first time, I did not view this period between camp and school as a difficult period. Usually I'm just like, oh my God. And like you were telling yourself whatever we pay these teachers, it's not enough, please. You know you start praising the structures of the systems that you rebel against all year. You're just like take them, please. This is the first year I haven't had that.
Speaker 2:I just really felt at peace and very present with my children. I didn't feel like I needed them off my hands. I think that is a sign of maturity on my part, realizing I'm not running out of time. When I was younger, everything needed to be done. Right now and lately, really in the last year, I've been letting myself get a little messy. It's okay if I don't keep every calendar appointment. It's okay if I have to reschedule. It's okay if I postpone things till tomorrow. I'm very disciplined, so this is a very new experience for me. But what if I could just be with my kids? And being with my kids didn't mean taking them on a fancy vacation. It just meant getting into the car with them and driving down the highway and taking them to a home good store and going shopping. And they felt like mommy bought me what I wanted for school. It was just pleasant, it was so sweet. And there's another place in which I've grown in the last month.
Speaker 2:I know that throughout my childhood that first of August hits and you can smell summer ending. You can smell the season changing at least where I live in Brooklyn and there's this pit of dread that goes into your belly like oh no, the summer is ending and I haven't even begun celebrating my summer. And then on the Jewish calendar we approach the high holy days. So it's an intense time of year also. It's not just that the summer is ending and the school system is beginning, it's also like you are going to be standing in front of God on the days of judgment and the day of awe and you might die. So there's all this religious pressure and this is the first year that I didn't feel it.
Speaker 2:This is the first year that I felt so at peace with the change of seasons and recognizing I don't actually think summer is my favorite season. I think I really love the movement of fall, of autumn. Summer is very hot and very stagnant and for me it was like the minute that first breeze came in. I was like whoa, I didn't realize that this is the movement I've been waiting for and even in terms of my religious outlook and what the days of awe mean to me, they are actually the days of awe, not the days of fear, especially, I think, since October 7th happened last year. It happened during our high holidays and so everyone has really different perspectives coming in again as we're re-entering this phase.
Speaker 2:It's almost a year and I realized, wow, this year has changed me. I'm coming at this very differently, a lot more humble, a lot more open, a lot more vulnerable, but not afraid. Coming at this very differently, a lot more humble, a lot more open, a lot more vulnerable, but not afraid, in deep reverence and deep awe and recognizing that when I was younger I tried to be very rigid and hold on to things, hold on to summer. But that stagnation and recognizing actually I covet and crave movement, the movement of autumn, of the seasons changing, it was like a maturity in me I'm ready for life to move forward. I'm ready to move forward, kind of like you said right, I'm ready to move on. And that's how I changed in the last month. That's been a very welcome change.
Speaker 1:Let's check what the other one said.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:So Folly. How have you grown in the past year?
Speaker 2:Year. See, I told you it was going to tie in. I just said it. I just said it. The past year has changed me forever.
Speaker 2:I mentioned, before we got onto this call, that last week I was sitting with a friend, I don't know. Just the conversation took us in a turn that we didn't expect to go into and we got super vulnerable and I just started sobbing and I don't cry easily and I said something about how I will never be the same. I will never be the same after October 7th and I think you know I wouldn't have said this in the beginning of our call. I think towards the end, people understand where I'm coming from. It's not from a place of hate, or me versus you, or us versus them. That level of just my world was torn apart. And again, it's not finger pointing, it's not right or wrong, it's just that heartbreaking reality. And I think we were talking about it, my friend and I, because we were talking about September 11th and how my son, who's 17, he's I called him a fetus. We were talking before. You know he was posting on his WhatsApp status on his account about, you know, oh, the twin towers, and we'll never forget. And I was like you, fetus. You know, I was younger than you, I was 15 or 14. I was 14 when the twin towers fell and here you have this child who, like, is posting on his status of like. What do you know, and I was telling my friend, there will be a whole generation of kids who post about, you know, will be a whole generation of kids who post about September 11th. They have no idea what they're talking about and my friend says, yeah, but we have an October 7th and this is a whole new generation.
Speaker 2:I think that's what broke my heart, I think that's what changed me, is that you want to believe that the violence is in the past. You want to believe that the brutality is in the past, and then some new, fresh horror hits and again you can make a political story about it, you can make an agenda, you can have a whole. You know the annals of history to back you up. But the fact is, the fact is it's violence and it's horrifying and it leads to war and it leads to more violence, when all people want to do is look into each other's eyes and say I see you, I see you, I love you, I respect you, you have a home with me and I hope that I would have a home with you, and that's that thing that changed me in the last year and one of the things that I'm going to actually like get really teary. You always manage to do this. You always manage to get me teary at like one point of our interview.
Speaker 2:So I contemplated getting a gun this year because I guess ever since this year, ever since October 7th it makes you think about what would it take to keep my kids safe? Right, what would I do if I was in that position? I've shot guns for many years. I'm not a gun aficionado, but you know it's a sport and I like going to the range and I like the feeling of shooting and I'm a good shot and I enjoy many different kinds of. I try out many different kinds of guns and rifles and shotguns and all of that good stuff. But when I put my hand on my pistol for the first time, I had a panic attack and I couldn't understand why, because I had shotguns for many years. I'm not afraid of guns and my hand started shaking and I couldn't breathe and I had to pull my hand away and I had to center myself and ask what is this about? And I realized what it's about is that I don't want to live in a world where I carry a gun In the temple.
Speaker 2:One of the directives for the temple was that no iron was allowed to be used in the making of the temple. One of the directives for the temple was that no iron was allowed to be used in the making of the temple. They had to find really creative ways to create the bricks in the temple. There are legends of how they shaped the bricks in the temple, that there was a worm that ate through brick, fascinating the legends. And they've actually found worms that do that, which is crazy. But no iron was allowed to be used in the making of the temple, because iron is an implement of war. And when I touched my gun, that was the first thing that came into my mind.
Speaker 2:I don't want to be David whose hands are full of blood. But what do you do? What does a parent do when they face the reality of living in a world that doesn't want to be a home for their children? And I mean they say that in the time of the Messiah, all of their iron will be made into plows. Right, we're not going to need guns, we're not going to need swords, we're not going to need ammunition. They will just be plowing our fields and raising vineyards and olive trees and all of those beautiful things.
Speaker 2:And I just said a prayer when I held that gun in my hands and I said, please, let me live to see the day when I can throw this gun into the melding pot and watch it become a plow. That's all I want to see. I mean, god saved me from ever having to protect my children. I hope that I will live to see the day that this is a world that is safe for them. But I also want to live to see the day that this is a world that is safe for them. But I also want to live to see the day that this thing can be melted down into something that actually brings peace on this world. Yeah, not just. You know, and I obviously I you know, gun rights is a whole separate thing. I choose my gun not because I want to perpetuate violence, but I want to prevent violence. Right, but that's what they all say. Right, that's what they all say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you mean it?
Speaker 2:I mean it, I mean it and I hope I never am tested and I really. My fervent prayer every single day is let me live long enough to live in a world where we are all melting down our guns into elements and articles of peace.
Speaker 1:I'll toast to that. I don't have a glass nearby, but clink.
Speaker 2:Amen. And you know what it's funny as a, as I'm toasting you, my, my mug was a gift from a friend and it says you're the sister I got to choose and I wish that we live in a world that way, you know when we can look at our brothers and sisters of different nations, of different faiths and saying but I choose you you're still my sister and you're still my brother and I love you and you have a home with me.
Speaker 1:I believe we can get there, and that's pragmatic, idealist. To me it's a novel concept. So, as always, folly, thank you for an amazing conversation. I think that this tops the other three and thank you, we're setting the bar high for number five, whatever that may be.
Speaker 2:I'm so in. You know that I'm in.
Speaker 1:And what else is there to say? I mean Folly, you're just, you're awesome and I know you're a fan favorite on here, so just thank you so much for coming on. And where can everyone reach you?
Speaker 2:Oh, I have a website. It's my name follyclinecom, so that's F as in Frank, A-L-L-Y-K-L-E-I-Ncom. My website tells you nothing about who I am, Cause, like I said, I'm still trying to figure that out myself. But if you'd like to drop by and wave and just see a pretty picture of my face, that's pretty much all you're going to get there. It's very ambiguous. My website it doesn't say much. It's just like my landing page on the internet. My web developer I kind of resisted having a website for a long time and then they said that's your real estate on the internet. You have to have a home to live in, Then you have to have an internet home. So, talking about home, it's my home on the internet, but it hasn't been fully decorated yet.
Speaker 1:So I guess that I mean not to get too dark here necessarily, or too morbid, but I guess your website will be complete once you pass away.
Speaker 2:My legacy might, but my website's a good landing page. If you'd like to sign up to my mailing list. I send out weekly emails, which are just like my therapy sessions with myself. You just get to witness where I'm at in my life. It's just me journaling out loud to all of my readership. They know way more about me than I. Yeah, it's a place to stay in touch with. I give a course on self-development. I give a course on intimacy and sexuality. I sometimes run trainings and there's always something cool happening in my world. Because, again, I'm a movement person. I don't like to sit still. So if you'd like to be informed about what's going on in my world, that's the place to go.
Speaker 1:So everyone go check out follykleincom and thank you again for coming on, and I always finish by saying yay, zoo, you, you, you, you, you, you you.