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Timeless Spirituality
Ep. 107 - 2025 Astrological Predictions (ft. NJ Kaiulani)
Astrologer NJ Kaiulani joins Daniel to share her predictions for 2025, highlighting significant societal changes, potential revolutions, and global unrest. Together, they explore the astrological influences shaping these forecasts and draw attention to the historical contexts that provide insight into future events.
Key topics and discussion points include:
- Predictions of an American Revolution and global independence movements
- Pluto's entry into Aquarius as a catalyst for transformative change
- Mars retrograde's connection to personal sovereignty and societal conflict
- The expected focus on women’s rights and reproductive issues
- Historical parallels offering perspective on potential future conflicts
NJ's bio:
NJ is an evolutionary astrologer, astro-cartographer, and social scientist. She has a B.S in Global Studies with a background in social research, geography, history, and geopolitics. She specializes in maps and political astrology with a strong interest in past life and medical astrology.
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And Jay, welcome back to the show for the second year in a row for predictions, astrological predictions that is. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2:I'm finally somewhat recovering from this Mercury retrograde hangover. How are we doing, daniel, and thank you for having me as well.
Speaker 1:You're very welcome, and so, for the reference for everyone, we are recording this on December 20th, right now. So that's the post retrograde hangover that she's referring to, the one that just wrapped up. I believe it was five days ago, on December 15th.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:Before we jump into some of the big predictions that you got correct last year, I want to ask you well, other than your receipts at this point, what makes you qualified to deliver these predictions?
Speaker 2:Well, I guess I could start with my background of study, or my educational background. I was a weird way of saying that, but I studied globalization studies, which is kind of a combination of international relations, geopolitics, geography, gis. I had a lot of that background as well. I have a minor in history as well as and actually it's a double minor in history and political science, so this is something I'm pretty well versed in. I understand the systems and the whole processes behind it. It's not just a shot in the dark. So other than that, it doesn't make me the most qualified, but it helps.
Speaker 1:So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you take your real world experience in what you've been educated in and you apply that to your astrological predictions.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So which ones did you get correct last year? I just want to put the ball in your court because I was so excited Well, not excited when they happened, but when some of them came true. You know, I reached out to you right away. I was like you got this, you got it right, you got it right. So there were a couple of big ones. You want to take the floor with that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you even sent me the screenshots of the transcript. You're like, oh my gosh, you said it. You said it like almost verbatim. I'm like, ah, the first one was the attempted assassination of what is now President-elect Donald Trump, and one came to pass in July. And then the other one was that Joe Biden would either resign from his campaign or from office before the election, and that also came to pass. So, and then also that Trump would win the 2024 election, and that also unfortunately came to pass.
Speaker 1:So we're not biased here in our predictions, as you can tell.
Speaker 2:Actually I say it but I try to stay pretty objective. But that being said, y'all catch my drift on that one.
Speaker 1:What I mean with that is that you didn't let your personal bias color your predictions, because what I see happen a lot of the time when it comes to astrological predictions and maybe this is just the way that I see it, not actually how it is but I feel that a lot of astrologers let their own bias get in the way and that kind of colors their prediction. So if they don't want something to happen, they're going to make a prediction going the other way. Again, this is speculation on my part, but that's just what I see to be the case. So I think it's cool that you didn't let that interfere, that you even said hey, this is what I see happening. You know, doesn't matter how you feel about it, even though you kind of acknowledge right now you're not crazy about it but you didn't let your own bias get in the way, which I think is really cool.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, I appreciate that. I should also add that when I looked ahead at the election, there was one transit on election day that I knew was going to really throw astrologers for a spin, that being that Venus Jupiter opposition. Astrologers for a spin that being that venus jupiter opposition. And because then that's when kind of our wishful thinking can get the best of us, the things we want to see, we start really professing it as fact, and so I noticed that that was going to be like. That was kind of something I thought about. I was like I have to avoid that at all costs. So because I just like and we saw that all around us, I don't really think it's necessarily to a lack of credibility with some of them as much as it was like that transit was step and then the politically or the charged moment of the politics, the political climate that we're in right now. So I just thought that was worth knowing up there.
Speaker 1:Hey, just so everyone can understand your train of thought.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:You're ready for the next question?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, everyone, if you really want to get to know her a little bit more, go check out the predictions from 2024, because we got a lot of ground to cover. So we're just jumping right in. And, jay, if you could sum up 2025 in just a few sentences, astrologically, how would you put it?
Speaker 2:I would say it's a cyclonic firestorm, and so 2025 is that year we've been kind of anticipating and it's going to be the pre, not just the pretext, but also where things really start coming into fruition, so where that firepower might turn. Literal, because we saw a lot of fire shifts and we're going to see more of that this year as well, and it's worth noting, from 2018 to 2023, we had like no fire transits, no retrogrades, planets in fire, but the exception, I think, of a Mars retrograde in areas we had like very, very little fire interplay for a while. So it's just been a lot of earth and air. As we know, that means erosion in natural terms, so now we're seeing a big shift in that.
Speaker 1:All right. So now that you've summed it up, let's go into a couple of your predictions. What's your first prediction for 2025?
Speaker 2:So, prediction number one, as many are anticipating and talking about American Revolution 2.0. And this will go back to what we'll talk about here in a minute with the outer planet ingresses into new signs entirely, which many of these were present during the American Revolution. So we'll elaborate on that. But the next, what we saw recently with the impeachment of their president for calling martial law before it got reversed, right before Mars, stationed retrograde in Leo, and we'll get more to that in a minute as well. The third prediction will be a spike in secession movements and independence movements. We'll see this at a local anti-state level and even a country level. We'll get more to that in a minute.
Speaker 2:More or less America will apply to this, but this will be a global trend oh, I can't wait for that one or that conversation at least yeah, I mean, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, because this is, the transits for that are fascinating, and then the final. There's a lot more than that, like probably the conclusion of a cold war, which usually comes through a hot means. But don't worry, do not panic, it's not going to be a World War III necessarily, but I do think there's going to be a lot of botched invasions. So there is and then also a lot of blackouts power and service blackouts as well. So there's a lot going on in 2025. And we'll elaborate on that in a moment. And by blackouts I mean major ones, not just power outages like massive scale, unprecedented.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about the secession independence movements first. What are the astrological transits that are indicating to you that this is what's on the horizon for 2025?
Speaker 2:All right, daniel. So we have a combined series of transits. Of course, we've heard Pluto and Aquarius. That is the era of people's revolutions, as well as unification, and a lot of times that goes in hands with either secession or an independence movements. The second one is this Neptune-Northo conjunction happening at 26, 727. No, I'll have to double check on that, but we have a Neptune-Northo conjunction and a Saturn-Neptune conjunction happening at zero degrees, aries, and so Aries is the sign of independence, autonomy. And also the last time we saw a Neptune-Northo conjunction in the final degrees of Pisces and to clarify, it's either 2628.
Speaker 2:I just have to double check. It was the first secession. I believe it was in December 1860. In addition to that, we also had I'll get more into the mars retrograde leo in a moment, because the leo is the sign of sovereignty. So there is a link to that, because we have this mars retrograde leo that's happening as we speak, and mars retrogrades are very important to forecasting mundane horoscopes. So there is a couple others, but those would be the main ones that really made me think what does mundane horoscope mean?
Speaker 2:this. This represents a world horoscope. It's just from the day-to-day to big world events, to just the general hustle and bustle of the collective of society.
Speaker 1:It mainly focuses on society, culture, politics in that domain all right, I'm going to make a prediction right here and why I think it's also important for NJ and I to be having this conversation with regards to the transits and showing you how it plays out in historical context, because history does repeat itself and once you learn astrology, you see. Ok, maybe there are astrological correlations here.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 1:Look, I'll be the first to admit I love Well, other than why my two favorite words are you're right. So for years I've been saying that California is going to split away from the United States. I live in California.
Speaker 1:I am a proud American, I don't necessarily want to see California leave. I don't know if it's going to happen in 2025, but I think that California in the somewhat near future will be leaving the United States. If you're looking at this just purely economically, it has was it the fifth or sixth largest economy in the world A lot of industry here sustainable, but it may not just be California, because what you started to see happen during COVID was that there were states in different geographic clumps that were kind of grouping together and saying, okay, this is the way that we're going to do things. So it's almost as if the foundation was set then and there was a collaboration that was taking place.
Speaker 1:But secession is no stranger to the United States. There have been secessions floated even since the Civil War. It's not only secession from the Union, it's states or geographic regions inside of I'm sorry, geographic regions, inside of states that have wanted to split away. For example, you have parts of Northern California and Southern Oregon that want to split away and form their own state. Now, once all this starts to happen and the ball unravels itself or the yarn I don't know what the expression is there how can you hold things together? Because when we had the Civil War back in the 1860s, it was North versus South. But if you look at a map right now and this is not something I'm rooting on, but I think the political divide isn't North versus South, it's more isolated.
Speaker 1:But then you also run into an issue in a state like California, which has voted overwhelmingly Democrat since, I believe, the 1980s. It is known as what's a blue state now, by the way, the whole blue state, red state thing that started in the year 2000. They were not known as the blue states and red states before that. It was just because. Was it Tim Russert? Was that what his name was?
Speaker 2:I don't know that specific detail, but that makes a lot of sense. I was like when did the red-blue state divide?
Speaker 1:And I was like that had to have been while I was alive and that makes sense I believe it was in 2000, because what they used to do for the elections was give the different political parties different colors during every election cycle, was give the different political parties different colors during every election cycle. So sometimes the Democrats were red and the Republicans were blue, and I think there were other colors mixed in there, but in the year 2000, it just so happens that the Democrats were blue and the Republicans were red. So this newscaster I believe it was Tim Russert he referred to them as you got the blue states and the red states. So it's interesting that that has evolved into something more derogatory and seeing how these things happen over time.
Speaker 1:Keep that in mind everyone, because when you hear these predictions taking place, you have to understand the source and the root, which, again, not in 2000,. But this goes back much further. So I bring that up because even in a state like California, which has voted overwhelmingly Democrat and has a super majority of Democrats in the state houses, which means that the Democrats control the legislative bodies at the state level, you still have at least 40% of the state roughly, that is, more conservative conservative. These secession movements then run into a bit of a rough patch because again, it's not just North versus South, it also becomes neighbor versus neighbor.
Speaker 1:But, due to numbers. That's why I think California may split away and I think other states will follow suit, because you know, when you also have someone who's running the state right now who is power hungry. I'm not going to say any names because I don't know. I don't know what's in someone's heart. All I can say is my assessment based on the outside. You may have someone that's brash enough to say let's fucking leave, and then everyone go rah, rah, rah, rah, rah. Anyways, what do you have to piggyback there?
Speaker 2:That's kind of actually what I asked you the other day. I to piggyback there. That's kind of actually what I asked you the other day. I'm like, wait, is where you're from, north or South California? Cause I saw just some discourse on threads about how North and South California want to like succeed from each other because the rivalry is so strong, and you were like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2:I'm like I just thought that was interesting. It just shows that everything is happening on a hyper local level. So it's not just California, like you said. You're going're gonna we might even notice this with Texas, because Texas is massive and just other states that either have an outsized role in whatever it is from a national standpoint, and this is going to deal more in like economical terms, like you were saying. That's why California, probably in Texas, are probably the only two that would be able to do that, which I don't know if it's going to be that straightforward, but I think on the west coast, it's in there, like you were saying. Are you the one that just said something about oregon and how, like there's like individual cities that are trying to secede from the whole state?
Speaker 1:yeah, there's parts of northern california and southern oregon that want to secede together and form their own state, not their own country, but their own state and then you also see like unification as well.
Speaker 2:Like I, because of what I was saying about conflict in the Asiatic Pacific is because after what we saw with that botched and call for martial law from the South Korean president, it kind of pissed North Korea off Because he was kind of fear mongering that North Korea was going to do something and that's why he enacted it.
Speaker 2:And not only is he on impeachment trial right now, it kind of reflects what I was suspecting, that being North Korea was going to pull a rogue move on South Korea, like whether it's an abhotched invasion or it's just something of the sorts. It can be like a cyber attack, because that's also a big thing. I'm noticing, as we're getting into the north node and the latter degrees of pisces towards the constellation pegasus, those later degrees from like 23 29 degrees, and that's usually associated with information leaks or even, um, just like a botched attacks of any sort. So I'm really curious to see how that's going to unfold, korea, and like whether we might just have one Korea after that. I have to look more into that specific prediction, but that would be interesting speculation.
Speaker 1:Okay, you got to tell me a little bit more about that one. Now, what will lead to one Korea?
Speaker 2:So this is just speculation. I will have to double check the astrology for that specifically, but just remember that both of the Koreas were always one Korea before the Korean War in 1950. So when you take that into consideration and that the fact that North Korea's only allies are Russia and China hell, not even China. So Russia has already got its war in Ukraine, so it is not going to give military backing to North Korea, considering North Korea is already giving military backing to Russia as we speak. So North Korea doesn't stand a chance from an ally standpoint.
Speaker 2:And whereas the United States has promised that in the event that China invades Taiwan or I think it's gonna be more Korea than Taiwan, let me be clear or that North Korea invades Korea, south Korea, excuse me that they would absolutely intervene. And they have more of an interest to intervene in the Asiatic Pacific than they do to intervene in Ukraine. And they have more of an interest to intervene in the Asiatic Pacific than they do to intervene in Ukraine. And whether it's the microchip industry for Taiwan, who I can't remember the exact percentage, it's a sizable majority of the population globally or the microchip production globally is concentrated in Taiwan. So if you're a technology, you're seeking to grow your technology sector, you need those microchips.
Speaker 2:Uh, it helps that taiwan likes the united states, but not china, and same with south uh korea. There's a lot of, I guess, what you would say national interest for the united states. That's worth defending in its eyes to where it would assert naval power and that's and that's a whole other conversation about how the us is the only naval force in the world that carries that ability to actually project power. Even China lacks that. Their Navy, I think, is new. The United States has a lot of experience.
Speaker 1:I'm going to give you a shot out of a cannon right now.
Speaker 2:What's that?
Speaker 1:Shot out of a cannon. I got that expression from Step Brothers.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I forgot all about that movie.
Speaker 1:How does Pluto entering into Aquarius factor in to everything you just said?
Speaker 2:A major difference with the Pluto and Aquarius from what we've seen in history is that, rather than a global war, like we saw during World War II, which was the Pluto and Leia era, which was exactly opposite of the Pluto and Aquarius era we're going to see this take place more through the I guess you would say internal revolutions worldwide. So every country's people are kind of going to start rising up and trying to reform their own governments, the way things are structured, their systems, everything in between and that's what defines Pluto and Aquarius is the era of people's revolutions to it being the power, to the people, because pluto represents power or governments. Anytime pluto ingresses a new site, it's going to specifically deal with governments, the power structures, everything in between. So pluto spends 20 years here, versus it spends a erratic amount of time depending on it. I think the past 12 years have been pluto, or, yeah, no, 13, 14 years have been pluto and capricorn. So, and then I think pluto and virgo was a lot short. I can't remember the exact span, but like I think it was like nine or ten years. So pluto spends a random amount of time in each time. So the fact that spinning this long in aquarius oh, and pluto and leo, I think, was like actually longer than that. I think it was like 24, 25 years, something like that. It was a very long time. I have to double check the dates on that one.
Speaker 2:Um, I'm not able to recall that, but that's gonna be the big difference versus, say, what happened during world war ii or the korean wars that were not in the pluto and leo, pluto and virgo era. Pluto and leo was the era of the strong man, the dictator, the. Hence what we saw in world war ii pluto and aquarius is the exact opposite. So we're going to see decentralized power and so, when we kind of take how that's going to affect on the global stage, we could definitely see something of the similar sorts in korea, because every country right now is dealing with like fundamental corruption, including korea, both koreas. So there is going to be a larger reform that does come from this. It's not going to be as simple as oh, one country invades another, it takes over, it wins. That's very unlikely going to be what characterizes this era.
Speaker 1:Well, how would it look in North Korea? Because you said it's about I don't think you said it's verbatim, but about the people recognizing and taking power back, right?
Speaker 2:I'm curious about that too. Well, the thing is, north Korea has also slipped up a lot. There's been lots of North Koreans who have escaped North Korea and have been able to speak out on what's happened. I think a lot of North Koreans know that's not normal.
Speaker 1:You're talking about the ones who have escaped and spoken out about what's going on there, right?
Speaker 2:Because you still have millions of people there who have no idea what's going on there, right, because you still have millions of people there who have no idea what's going on inside of north korea, who live there more or less like there's speculation that they're they know a lot more than what they're leading the government to believe and they just they're kind of playing stupid because a lot of them live like, have like grandparents who lived through the korean war so they were able to live to tell these stories, you know, in private anyways.
Speaker 2:So I don't know, I don't know, I can't speak on that. I don't know anything about how North Korea works on the inside, because none of us really do Like we know, we have very limited information on that. But if North Korea were to get bold in any way and go rogue and it were to lose in any kind of conflict, it's going to lose its power, it's going to lose its government and it's probably going to either get unified or they're going to have a completely different government installed, because the Soviets are the ones who installed the communist regime in North Korea to begin with.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. I mean do you think it'll be in 2025, or do you think it's going to have its roots in 2025 and play out later on?
Speaker 2:Roots, like, particularly in hindsight, when we're like when did what really marked that moment? It's so things we take for granted in the moment, right, like sometimes these conflicts are not as straight like think of, like you and I were talking about the assassination of Art Deutch Ferdinand. At the time, people probably weren't thinking this sparked a war. In hindsight, when you think about it, everything boiled down to that event and that's kind of what we're going to see in 2025. It's not going to be something that clicks in the moment. That's going to be like oh yeah, this is it. Like, and some people are kind of already doing that speculation with everything, with the ceo, health care and the american revolution 2.0. People are, like you know a lot of people like dude, no, like that event isn't major enough and it's like it might be.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:It might be Because you have to think. The corporate world is the royalty of today. When you think about what Pluto creates is the death to monarchy, death to celeb culture. A lot of these mega billionaires fall under. I don't know if he's a billionaire.
Speaker 1:He's probably a millionaire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I think healthcare has more to. I think healthcare has running one of the biggest companies in the country and I'm not saying I agree or condemn what happened, but when we're looking at how these issues are being discussed, it definitely makes you speculate. You're like dude, why is everyone like like they're kind of playing devil's advocate at least, or at most they're just outright supporting it and celebrating it what nj is referring to right now, you know, as we're recording this on december 20th is the killing of the ceo of united healthcare.
Speaker 1:that took place, I believe, at the beginning of the month, and while it may just kind of appear that this is the start of something and if you look historically you don't even have to go that far back in United States history One, you go back 13 years and you have the Occupy Wall Street movement, which this, you could say, was just the natural evolution of that movement that may have been suppressed but never died and if you go back a few years before that, you have the economic crash of 2008, which is where occupy wall street really had its origins.
Speaker 1:Of course, it goes back further than that, but that really was the direct result of the crash of 2008.
Speaker 1:Then if you look at the crash of 2008,. You say where does this have its origins? Well, I mean, we could go over almost right now. Look, you got the dot-com bust that happened, or the bubble that burst back in. I believe it was 2000 or early 2001. You had the interest rates that were just getting gutted throughout the mid to. You know, with those, the odds right, because the team, the odds were the 2000 to 2010 right what the odds? Yeah, like you know, the 90s, 80s, 70s what?
Speaker 2:what do you mean? Like, like? What are the? Are the odds?
Speaker 1:2000 to 2010 like right now I don't even know what that is like right now is the 2020s so you caught your friend and then you know next will be the 2030s, or or the 30s as they'll I didn't know.
Speaker 2:That was what it was called.
Speaker 1:Become to known I'm pretty sure it's the odds for the beginning of the century or the millennium, into that first 10 years where I think at a certain point 2010 or 2011 to 2020, will probably be known as the teens or, you know, the, the 20 teens.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I haven't figured that one out yet. Maybe there's a term for it, but I'm bringing this up to hammer it home to everyone everything has its roots somewhere. So nj and I, in the recording last year, we really talked about how it's important to understand the context and nuance of all of these things, instead of just looking at an astrologer on TikTok or Instagram saying, oh, this is going to happen, well, why? Sure, the planets may be telling you, but there is real world examples behind it. And last year I made a prediction, also in the recording, where I said I believe that World War III began in February of 2022. Because the conversation that NGiant and I had had the one that she just referenced a bit ago, I think you did about the shooting of Archduke.
Speaker 2:Ferdinand that was World War I, but World War II was the invasion of Did I just say World War II?
Speaker 1:no, I just wanted to clarify that, because I think I got that completed, so I just want to okay before wait so that was one of the events known as the shot heard around the world, whereas they also had one of those for the revolutionary war war. You know, in the america there's many of those, but a lot of the reason I made that prediction last year was based off of astrology too. One, it was just a bit of an intuitive hit, but two, that happened. I think it was the exact hit of the first time the US had its Pluto return.
Speaker 1:I think that was the day right in the late degrees of Capricorn when it had its first, because then, of course, it retrograded back again, but I think that that was the first time.
Speaker 1:So this attack that happened halfway around the world, seemingly isolated, but it's like have to pay attention to this happening on the day that the US has its Pluto return, because that means we're not going to be isolated from this.
Speaker 1:There's got to be something more to it and, of course, us being the world's superpower and having that return, there's got to be an indication of something bigger at play. And, like NJ was saying earlier that North Korea is now sending troops over to Ukraine to help the Russians. So it is, you know, because I think you referred to it last year as like the US was going to have a more hands off approach, right, which has still they've been aiding them with weapons and money, but, you know, no real boots on the ground yet, like, we still have been isolated from that. So, yeah, that's still ringing true, but you now have soldiers from other countries that are pouring into that country and it's becoming so. It's, it's like the powder keg. So I don't remember if I mentioned that last year about making that prediction, but yeah, so again it's looking at historical record, history.
Speaker 1:But yeah, so again it's looking at historical record, history and seeing patterns and getting that feeling of I think that this was the first shot heard around the world.
Speaker 1:And also looking at the astrology and being like, okay, I think this is going to evolve into something and then looking back, you know, as we are almost three years out from that right now, as we recording this again in december of 2024, so I just I really want to emphasize that to everyone. It's really important to understand history and understand historical context, because that really applies to astrological predictions. Yeah, sure, it may be fun to just be like, oh yeah, this is gonna happen, but why it didn't just start when any given planet had that, that hit something set the stage for it beforehand. So which prediction do you want to jump into next?
Speaker 2:it's also worth noting that the astrology right now as we speak is well particularly as we are in the early December looked almost identical with the exception of a couple of outer planets to Pearl Harbor attack, and so I'm really interested in early 2025, what direction that's going to go. It can be one of the it would more likely be Korea versus China. That would probably attack the US, but who knows? It'd probably be a cyber attack because the US again, it's going to be really hard to go undetected approaching the US. That's just a geographic damage it has. But my point is that I do think there might be a surprise attack on the US as well. That's another prediction we really want to get into, and if it's not a surprise attack, in terms of like starting the war, I'm really curious about expanding on that assassination possibility for the president elect Trump Cause I already said there was an attempt, but I even said like I'm not sure if his term is going to last four years.
Speaker 1:Why is that based on astrology?
Speaker 2:I don't like being the messenger of these things sometimes Cause his. To be clear, like you know, when he won and I was looking at his chart, I wasn't looking at it through the lens of the astrology is so good for him. I was still looking at this like oof that he, what was it? I think what is it? Natal sun has a transiting Jupiter, not on the midheaven but like kind of in that 10th house area, and so I've noticed there is a link to those types of transits for assassinations, because that's the most public sector of your chart. That is, when you are on full display. You're probably, from a political leader standpoint, you're one of the most vulnerable. So I noticed both McKinley and I'll have to get back double check that and I could pull up their charts in a minute. But I'd noticed I said in the last podcast that Grover Cleveland and Trump had similar transits. That's why I wouldn't surprise if he got elected again.
Speaker 2:And just because when I considered all the other astrology whether it was former vp or current vp, harris, like you know, the astrology was like it wasn't horrible for her but the timing just around the election was not ideal. So in turn, like it kind of went to trump anyways, but I was like dude, he, this man, has so many threats on his back right now and when I'm looking at april 2025, when we're about to have mars retrograde, moving over, and then we're going to have, I think, what, what is it he has? I wrote it down okay, mars stations direct and it conjunct, it conjoins the moon right on top of procyon and this is a fixed star, by the way, in pianist minor constellation, and so this is actually associated with, like, prominent rises right before a really bad fall, like, yeah, you rose up to prominence and then crashes and burns and, uh, let's see. I also wrote down yeah, because trump has his venus and saturn conjunction natal venus, saturn conjunction at 25 degrees, cancer, just procyon in his natal chart. So just having saturn right there and we're having mars station direct on that saturn is everything from consequences to any kind of defiance of authority, particularly with mars right there.
Speaker 2:So whoever that might be but I also think it might be a foreign adversary, because procyon is also associated with that um, loss and trade and alliances expect, particularly from a mundane astrology standpoint, uh, scandals also dog bites, random. One fun fact I don't know how that's going to be relevant anyway, but in case, unless he gets bit by a dog, I don't know, that would that be something, if you accurately predict that one right, but I mean regardless.
Speaker 2:I mean I've heard apparently they can be dog ducks, can be really brutal, but I don't think that's gonna be it necessarily, but just fun fact, I just noticed that that's a very common interpretation of pro zion, so I just thought that would be funny to throw out there and it's that's gonna be trining. Uh, what? What is it? Pegasus? And so it's actually thick star markab, which is in the pegasus constellation, and so I think of pegasus like getting bitten in the ass, because that's what the myth of pegasus actually refers to, or one of them anyways. So I do think with that you get that trine, and particularly in an emotional water trine like that and we're talking about saturn even just being such the public area of his chart just emotionally char, emotionally charged actions, particularly from adversaries, or even just deep convictions in that case. So I was like, yeah, this doesn't look very. Does he have any?
Speaker 2:any what deep convictions I mean, that's a good, that's a damn good question actually um what he perceives to be. We'll put it like that, even if they're like, basically, you're like is that really nuts? I'm with you, he's kind of narcissistic, so that doesn't. You know very rare that you meet a narcissist that has convictions, unless that conviction is their love for themselves well, could the dog bite be more metaphorical, or getting bit in the ass? Oh yeah, like backfiring for dogma.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's also worth noting all right yeah, you're probably like okay, enough for the dog bite, like is there any? Like um? Yeah, that's exactly it. Like um, because he is dogmatic.
Speaker 1:He's a very dogmatic, so I would give very dogmatic, so I would give anything to do a past life regression with it. I know right, It'd be fucking fascinating.
Speaker 2:I would love to know the past life astrology of that too. That's not something I'm like fully the expert on. It is interesting to see, like you know. But did I ever like? What was I gonna say? But yeah, like, uh, procyon, because this is the sign of cancer. When you think of jupiter's exaltation and cancer which will, jupiter will ingress cancer this year, and that will be on june 10th 2025, for that matter. Oh, by the way.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I just got to jump in. That wasn't a political thing that I said about him having convictions or not having them. I would say that about the other side as well. So nj could have brought up any name and I well, depending on who it was.
Speaker 2:But do they?
Speaker 1:have any convictions. It just so happens that that's who she brought up, so yeah, that that wasn't they're all a bunch of assholes, but Trump in particular is morally bankrupt.
Speaker 2:I mean, I look, I'm like does he even, did he even think about any like the tariffs right now? I'm just like you really are asking. I'm not even going to say that, that, I'm just like do you know what caused Japan to attack Pearl Harbor? An oil embargo. So he's kind of setting a pretext already. So I'm just like he's already on the shit list of most world leaders. Add the fact that he's got these kind of trends and I'm like dude.
Speaker 1:So there was an expression I heard from someone. His name is Gerald Cilente. He's a trend forecaster. You can look outside of astrology for these things. I started studying trend forecasting back I believe it was 2011. And he had this expression back then and I don't know if he coined it or got it from somewhere else, but his expression was currency wars, trade wars, world wars.
Speaker 2:Yep, the economy. From pretty much every war in human history, the economy was the pretext for it. Of course it wasn't the sole reason, but it was definitely that loss of like that, those shared sensibilities that keep us grounded and you know taking, you know being sensible, right. Once those are removed, people's general actions aren aren't going to be what you would say rule following or if not just outrageous. So I mean, again not saying this is all asked for, but it's kind of like, especially Pluto and Aquarius. This is the fall of the strong man and he's got a Pluto.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's also fascinating about Donald Trump is that he has a Leo rising. He's not only going through his Pluto opposition and Aquarius, he has a Leo rising. He's not only going through his Pluto opposition in Aquarius, everything he embodies is not necessarily as a Leo rising, because it doesn't really apply to most Leo risings actually, but the fact that he was born during the Pluto and Leo era, if I'm almost positive, yes, he was, and he has Pluto in that first house in, I think, pluto and Leo, even though it's, I think Pluto, leo needs to come with a warning transit or a warning sign in the near future, like, because, like, it is the era of nuclear. Yeah, like, all like, because when you think of pluto and leo, it's kind of where it reaches its pinnacle, if you will. So it becomes more destructive, more deadly. Uh, you also see a spike in birth rates, which inevitably means more death, because more people are on the planet, um, at a specific point in time.
Speaker 2:So all I study demographics and demography and populations in college, by the way y'all. So, in case you're like, how does that have to do with anything? It has a a lot to do with it. So the fact that he's already got that kind of placement already predisposes him to not aligning with the interests of what people are wanting for this era, the Pluto and Aquarius era, like that being self-centered, you know, self-centralization, because that's what Trump does. He wants to be kingmaker, he wants to be the ringleader, and that's just not going to work with Pluto and Aquarius. Like, we're going to actually see a radical shift, if we haven't already.
Speaker 1:What do you think that shift is going to look like?
Speaker 2:And it's not necessarily that we're every delegation or congregation is going to have a leading figure Like they're going to. Like everyone has. Some people are better leaders than other and they tend to carry on and manage things a lot better than other people can. Let's just put it like that. Outside of that, in the united states you notice particularly, there's like the celebrity worship kind of extends to politicians. Like people will literally wear their faces on t-shirts, like things like that. Oh, that's so cringe to me. Like I will never wear a politician on me, ever a name and a campaign shirt's fine, but like their faces I'm like, say, I'm a celebrity I will never wear their face on me unless it's like a really funny, memeable picture. But have you noticed that the kind of political culture that we're part of, there is a tendency to put our leaders on pedestals, pedestals that aren't even deserved and they don't even get held accountable.
Speaker 1:They can do whatever they want. What are you talking?
Speaker 2:about they accrue a million dollars in office when they did not start off with that million dollars and they sure as hell haven't done anything to earn that much, a million.
Speaker 1:What is this?
Speaker 2:1910? Right, okay, fine Billions. You sound like Dr Evil right now.
Speaker 1:One million dollars. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha, 100 billion dollars.
Speaker 2:That is so right, though that is so right. I'm like dude, I'm being I'm being so under like about that, so I think what NJ is referring to right now, which, okay.
Speaker 1:We're gonna go back really quick to the underpinnings of what happened in December with the killing of the CEO, which I believe links back to Occupy Wall Street, which happened in 2011, economic crash of 2008.
Speaker 1:And keep going down the line. You see that there are things that just trigger other events, but this is one of those things where I'll say I think it could go either way for the United States, because what she's referring to right now is you have anyone in Congress. They go in there not wealthy and they make, I think, less than $200,000 a year, which is not nothing, but it's also not millions, and somehow they walk away with millions of dollars.
Speaker 1:I mean a lot of. That is just because it's like insider trading. They get tips ahead of time of things that are going to be happening or something that's going to be voted upon. So they go and buy stock in a company or sell it or just any given industry. They walk away with hundreds of millions of dollars Like how you only made this much. But then you walk away with all that money. And problem is is that it's legal. It is legal in the United States to do that. It is legal in the United States to do that. All you have to do is disclose these trades that you make and it's legal. So there has been a growing movement inside the United States to ban people in Congress from being able to trade stocks, which I personally think would not be the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 2:There's more that needs to be done.
Speaker 1:Oh, there's a lot more that needs to be done that helps.
Speaker 2:That helps a lot.
Speaker 1:How I would characterize what I think is coming up is it's really the haves versus the have-nots. It's the rich eating the poor and the poor being like I'm done so that guy Gerald Salente, who I mentioned before, he has another expression. Being like I'm done so that guy Gerald Salente, who I mentioned before, he has another expression and that expression is once people have nothing left to lose, they lose it.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, yep. So that's I mean. Look, you see everything going on on the world stage, but the United States is a powder keg. It is not only the political divides, it's the ones that have truly been hidden, which are the economic divides.
Speaker 1:It's oh, yeah, the economy's great, the stock market's doing great. Well, how many people participate in the stock market? It's all an illusion to a certain extent. Or it's cherry picking the shit out of things to a certain extent, or it's cherry picking the shit out of things saying, oh yeah, it's going great. So there is an anger that is boiling up right now, and this is not me advocating on behalf of violence in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1:no, there has to be a peaceful way to reach a resolution. That's the idealist in me. The other one is like you see the writing on the wall and you see that if something is not done, this shit's just inevitable. It's not right, it's not okay. But there's a natural progression that takes place to lead you to a certain event or an outcome, and when the writing is on the wall, you better fucking pay attention. That's all. I'm saying is everyone take notice, make changes now, so we don't have to get to that point.
Speaker 2:Mm. Hmm, yeah, I like that expression. Once people have nothing left to lose, they lose it, because that kind of sums up the enemy. I don't know if we talked about that in the last episode or it was just on my social media page, which is kind of the state that we're like, the conditions that we're dealing with right now it's. It's basically referred to a state of dysfunction, like societal dysfunction and, quote, normlessness, and so pluto and aquarius is really where we're going to start, because the fundamental root of enemy is like lack of community, alienation, isolation and, of course, you know anything about marxist theory or even just sociology. Alienation is pretty much the center of capitalism and so the fact that everyone is like down with capitalism, it's kind of reflecting this Pluto and Aquarius themes of not so that we have to make it and glorify it about revolution as much as it is.
Speaker 2:Anomy erodes society. It erodes, I guess what I say erodes the soul of society, specifically the things that make it worth living. Um, emile Durkheim specifically coined the term anomic suicide, for example. Uh, for those who aren't, we're about to talk about that, which was basically when people do just that because the world and the conditions have no sense of solidarity or functionality, or there's just everything. Just you don't know what to expect anymore and there's just it's disintegration.
Speaker 2:I think is ultimately the key thing to hone in on with anime, that they just the only sense of autonomy they find at that point is that, and so that was his theory, and that it kind of started trickling down to all parts of society. So yeah, whether it's killing a CEO, healthcare, a CEO of a health, a United Healthcare or whatever it is, people just say F it when they are in a state of enemy. It's like it's. I don't want to say this. It was sorry the term was coined during the last industrial revolution, so when you see the parallels, it's very under-discussed, it's a very less well-known topic from a public standpoint, but it's important because, especially when you're trying to understand what Pluto and Aquarius, what exactly is going to be addressed, and that it's that right there and how do you think it'll be addressed?
Speaker 2:so, of course, the reform of government's anything that pretty much gives all resources, attention, influence or whatever it might be, to one single entity or person. So that'll be one like. People are fed up with that. You're already seeing the mass block uh, the celebrity mass blockout that happened in june 2024. Celebrities were losing anywhere from like a few million to 10, 40, 50 million followers overnight or just within a week, because everyone was fed up and, believe it or not, I do think that is a important factor in what is causing people to be so stagnant in these conditions that we've lived in for so long. And I think that's it. We think, oh, we've had this. It comes from the pluto and leo like again.
Speaker 2:Well, actually the united states is 27 degrees capricorn, natal, pluto, but regardless, we were still erected during a time where some democratization and, you know, congregation those types of attributes to a government are important and valued, believe it or not, a lot of places don't value that.
Speaker 2:To be clear, think about half of Asia who still has dictators whose governments were installed after World War II, during the Pluto and Leo era. So, pretty much with the United States, what happened is that after we won World War II and all the. We really became the world's superpower because we weren't. Until after World War II we were kind of the underdog for most of its history. It kind of gave us, it made our balls bigger than what we were ready for and so it became the monster that we know as today, even though it's always been monstrous, like whether you think about the earliest colonial history, but of course at that time we're talking about outside of that just a complete lack of self-awareness we're not pluto and leo no, I mean just, I was thinking about you know the, the origins of, I think, the origins of the united states, like just a complete lack of self-awareness oh my god, yes, even though pluto and aquarius.
Speaker 2:Like it kind of makes sense when, from that angle, when you say it like that, it's because, like none of these dictators try hiding the bad parts of their country or some of them do they only try. What's wild is, they only try hiding it from their own people or, and then they don't really care what the world thinks. It's really weird. But my point is that United States is reversed. It's Pluto and Aquarius. So it's like once we're, now, we're era, we're actually going to reinvent our government, if you will, and so everything we saw from the 1940s and 50s of Pluto and Leo is about to get a complete deconstructed and reconstructed.
Speaker 1:It is not going to survive, very few things will, but I mean historically speaking, that's around the time when the military industrial complex really took over in the United. States. How do you see that being overhauled?
Speaker 2:See that one's kind of tricky because I haven't actually thought on that question, but I do talk a lot about the military industrial complex and, of course, if you were to ask, well, what's my advice? It's like, well, first thing, you have to tackle the media industrial complex. It's like the connection of the military industrial complex with a few things the religion industrial complex, the tourism industrial complex. The tourism industrial complex is a big one because it is. It was that was erected when the military industrial complex was. That's actually why, when you see the state of Hawaii, for example, it was erected in 1950. In the 59. Yeah, yeah, state of hawaii, for example, it was erected in 1950, 59, yeah, yeah, so, um, around that time it was like um. That all goes in hand with why people even know about hawaii is because what happened is that the tourism industrial complex, even though it well, I think they may have known about it from something else, true, but around this time the united states.
Speaker 1:One way of capitalizing sorry, just for anyone here to pick up on that pearl harbor right, right, yeah, seriously, thank you for no yeah I actually forgot to mention that part.
Speaker 2:But yeah, no, like that kind of gave the united states a better excuse to be more militarized in hawaii, whether it was testing bombs or whatever it was, and they did that across the whole pacific. But anyways, tourism was their way of covering that up. It was like creating a utopia, like, oh, it's paradise, nothing sketchy happening here, like it's kind of like that thing, like that's actually what the tourism industrial complex does. It is designed with that specific function in mind. It's also a very understated part of the issue, because everyone thinks no, because everyone travels. So everyone's like oh no, we don't want to believe that we're doing bad. I'm like, well, y'all aren't doing bad, it's just y'all same.
Speaker 2:Like how we talked about with, like israel on october 7th, do you know, I think, at least 1,000. Not that it was at least 30 or 20, 30%, something like that. I can't remember how many lost their lives. It was a lot, it was really tragic, but a lot of them were tourists. And because, with Israel's occupation of Palestine, it relies on tourism, whether it's ancestral tourism, history tourism, religious tourism, whatever it is to cover that up. Uh, history tourism, religious tourism, whatever it is to cover that up. So it's.
Speaker 2:And then, as a result, whether it was, you know, jewish americans or from other countries who were going there to realign with their heritage or whatever it was, or what their eyes, what they saw was that effort got caught in the crossfire of real the what I call the military tourism industrial complex, and that is a huge, because I mean, I think tourism is a multi like. It's a multi-billion like, hundreds of billions of dollars of revenue for a single place like hawaii, of hawaii I need to look the actual figure up but hawaii is one of those strongholds of the military tourism industrial complex and they, that's why they're like please don't come here, please don't come here. It's not because they don't like visitors, no, they love visitors. It's ever since what's happened from post-annexation to Pearl Harbor. It's that the militarization has gotten so bad and if you go look, that's a trend everywhere that places that the military is the most established tends to have the highest rates of tourism.
Speaker 2:And it's kind of reckless and stuff, if you ask me, because it's like you're actively putting citizens lives at risk and tourist lives at risk, and I'm an astro cartographer. I'm trying to help people go places that they're going to enjoy themselves. I don't like, I didn't, you know you, I want people to travel and enjoy themselves, but there is a very dark, sinister side to those things and it's not that we're going to rid of tourism as much as we are going to actually the fact that we do have powers. Tourists we do like, uh, we can, we, that will be a huge part in swaying that close to me like ethical tourism complex industrial complex.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, there's. Oh, we treat our people well here everyone come here.
Speaker 1:Then of course it's like when you start going to the beach on north korea oh, I don't, bad joke, yeah, and even wait, it's like you know they, they have those. Everyone come, come to mississippi.
Speaker 2:Not anything wrong with mississippi, but it it's like a commercial that you see you know, while you're watching tv like they, they show you that one corner of mississippi that's actually like the hidden gym, and then, like you go they, then you go to the whole different part and you're like this is all, is this real? Like it's like how horrible it is. Like no, I'm not denying, I'm not offended, I'm like it's like you went to school in mississippi, didn't you?
Speaker 2:I was born and raised here, but it's like weird because the northwest corner of mississippi is like it's the delta in which it's weird, because when you get down to the rural delta it's abysmal, like it's bad, like education, everything between. But as you get a little more north towards like cleveland, mississippi, up towards de soto, and I'm outside of memphis for what it's worth, so more city, we call it memphisipi here. Memphisipi because memphis is more culturally mississippi and not just that, it's um, you know, it's a river city, so there's a lot of similarities. So it doesn't really like tennessee, doesn't really like gambling trips say what do you have riverboat gambling trips?
Speaker 2:oh, riverboats are like oh it's, that's a real thing, that's awesome it was not the stepbrothers.
Speaker 1:Oh, there's riverboats on there. Well, there was a joke that was in stepbrother.
Speaker 2:I mean, if I figure, if I brought it up before, I haven't seen that movie in so long, so I'm sorry if I don't pick up on the joke. It's because it's like oh man, I need a rejotter. I haven't seen that movie in years.
Speaker 1:So yeah, johnny, things I actually remember he was talking about riverboat gambling trips making or men making their own beef jerky and things like that actually that well, I don't think it's beef jerky here, it's deer jerky.
Speaker 2:But yeah, that's actually true that's what you say.
Speaker 1:We're men, you know?
Speaker 2:yeah, no, that's actually a thing here we make our own beef jerky.
Speaker 1:And he said one other thing that I won't bring up right now yeah. And then his dad says we've literally never done any of those things. So okay, Anyways, on that Again, I brought up Mississippi because I knew you were from around that area. You did go to college there, didn't you?
Speaker 2:Delta State.
Speaker 1:This is why I picked Mississippi when I said that, because also they'd had their issues with the water there recently. But like you said, oh that's Jackson. Well, still Mississippi.
Speaker 2:Right? Well, I will say it's Northwest, Like when you get towards Memphis and towards down the Delta, our water is like we're part of a completely different aquifer. We're part of one of the best aquifers.
Speaker 1:Okay, NJ, that's great.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying don't dog on my water. Like Memphis gets really defensive about our water.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, well, you learn something every day.
Speaker 2:I'm just so. No. So it's like yeah, we get real, I won't poop on your water, I won't poop on your poop water.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was saying, you guys have very good tap water there yes, okay yes, it's, it's good.
Speaker 1:The point with that was just that, just like nj said, it's like they show the one good thing in the commercial with the people smile, or it's like another thing they advertise the water like pharmaceutical ads, like where you have someone with you know colitis or crones, and the ad is people running around you know having a picnic in a field and you know what kids running around, the fucking kite yes, oh well, they're kind of narrating under while and the side effects, mainly including death and you're like what? And then you have. You have people like walking around holding hands that normally you don't think would be together, but for some reason in this, you know, in this pharmaceutical or like I'm with you, it's like.
Speaker 2:It's not that we're like against that type of mashup as much as, like you can tell that they're trying so hard to cover up the truth.
Speaker 1:It wasn't a racial thing that I was saying there.
Speaker 2:Oh, I was like. Well, I was thinking like there's a lot. No, seriously, whether it's that or no, gender too, no, all of it, it doesn't matter. You gotta think I have a sociology brain. I'm not looking at just from race, I'm looking at it from every angle of that, yeah, every strategy you can think of.
Speaker 1:They're always running around with a kite. Everyone. Just keep it out of that.
Speaker 2:You're doing those 70-year-olds man?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're not doing that in real life. And then you got a kid swinging on the arms Like it's a, you know, man and a man, woman and a woman, man and a woman.
Speaker 1:It's supposed to be a kid, he did that like once the commercial oh yeah, like yeah I guess that's my long-winded way of saying if things are gonna pan out like nj is saying and look, I've learned to not doubt her not that I ever did, but she's gotten a lot of shit right, keep an eye on those things. When tourism becomes quote-unquote or quote-unquote more ethical, don't just be fooled by an ad that looks like it's a pharmaceutical ad. But for jackson, mississippi or san bernardino, california not just san bernardino is a good place.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying anything wrong about it, but I just thought okay, well, you raise families, it's not a tourist destination. How?
Speaker 1:about this los angeles, california okay well I got Mississippi's where you raise families, it's not a tourist destination?
Speaker 2:Okay, how about this? Los Angeles, california, since that's where I live? Right, so California's more got more that the outsiders want. We're the hidden gem. We're like. People don't want to visit here when they come here.
Speaker 1:This is actually a good place to establish, but outside that, okay, so my super duper way of saying everyone still use your discernment, because there's still going to be hucksters out there and con artists, and I could be wrong, but I don't think that bad intentions are just going to erode as other things get better. I think that there's. I am very reluctant to say we're going to one day wake up in a utopia. Hopefully we can get to that point, it's probably not even our lifetimes, wait what?
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know if I I don't know if I would call it a utopia, dystopia, utopian, dystopian, uh, dystopian I don't know that's kind of what I'm trying to say is that there's a contradiction of what we're seeing now. It's like both, but not it's like, it's, it's bizarre, it's well there, there isn't, and this is one of those things.
Speaker 1:Everyone, everyone. Please heed this. To a certain extent, there is an argument that's being made to say that we are living in the best time ever right now because everyone has a TV in their home or a cell phone. That is the correlation that's being made. Forget life expectancy dropping. You know people living in shit conditions, but oh no, everyone has a cell phone. So that is the new marker, or the new, you know, pinnacle to reach of society being a utopia is everyone having a cell phone.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm Just keep you know when you listen to these things like that's fucking absurd. Sorry.
Speaker 2:I know it's just like when I'm like we were saying the medicine commercials. When I'm watching this, I feel like I'm watching a like I can't tell if it's utopian, dystopian or both, because on one hand they're presenting something to you that's so cringe that you're just like I'm kind of freaked out by what like, because I think for us it signals like you know who made this? It was the people behind these systems that made these propaganda and these commercials. So I think for us it's like that intuitive sensing of knowing what their intentions are and we're like fuck you for it. I don't know, that's kind of the vibe I'm getting right now, that's just like growing.
Speaker 1:So one other one I want to say about the cell phone so the person who I heard say the cell phone and TV thing. They said something else about. I can't remember what the context it was brought up in, but they talked about how it's these places living in the 1500s and he said all you got to do is get on a plane and travel to these places and then you'll see the living in the 1500s. It's like, hey, dumb ass, you want to know how? I know that that's not true, because if they got a fucking runway there, they're not living in the 1500s that is actually funny.
Speaker 2:You brought mississippi because that's what everyone says when they come here is everything is frozen in time really do.
Speaker 1:You guys have airplanes oh, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:As a matter of fact, the university I went to is like the only aviation school in the region yeah, so maybe there are cultural aspects that are frozen in time no, that's the thing.
Speaker 2:That's what they're trying to say is that, even though we've got technology, we're integrated in the modern or even post-modern world from an attitude or even a emotional or even a cultural standpoint. You're like, oh, whereas I think when we're looking at everything from like a national standpoint, it's not that we're stuck back in time. I think I would even go as far. A lot of this country is trying to get too ahead of their time. They're trying to the point where it's not even like oh you're. We say that people are ahead of their time. It usually means a good thing, but for us it a reason that we're in so many pointless wars. It's because they don't have foresight. They have calculation of what they're going to gain, but they don't, like you said, they don't have the awareness of self to think we're going to royally screw this one up. We just sit this one out.
Speaker 1:All right, everyone. I can boil it down for you very simply right now Money and politics. Oh, yeah, that is the issue, everything that we are discussing right now. You can trace its roots to money and politics. Now, since, this is a spiritual podcast.
Speaker 1:We won't fully go into that, and everyone's saying at this point the fuck, you've been talking about politics for the last hour plus right now. Right now it's like, well, maybe, but there are also many spiritual components to it, because you're living this life right now and you are here on earth at this time and, yes, the things that we are talking about affect everyone in the world and it's my belief that we have multiple lives, so there is something unique about this life.
Speaker 1:so this is all part of a spiritual journey and, as you heard in a recent episode, it is my belief that you shouldn't keep your head in a hole and that you should have an awareness of what's going on in the world around you, understanding history, where you've come from, where you're going. Well, in order to understand where you're going, you need to understand where you've come from and also get your head out of the fucking hole. So, with all that NJ, any other predictions you want to throw out there for 2025?
Speaker 2:Do we want to go into the Mars retrograde details, because those are pretty important, go for it. So we've got Mars retrograde stations retrograded at six degrees Leo on December 7th, as we're past that now, and so by January 6th it's going to backtrack into the sign of cancer. So, as we know, cancer is the sign of home safety, security. Don't fuck with mommy, don't fuck with mommy. Exactly so. Of course, when you think of anything relating to the home front, even genealogy, ancestry, gets highlighted, even with Leo. The themes associated with Leo can range anywhere from sovereignty, the creative industries, whether it's Hollywood or theater, film, all those sorts, as well as sovereignty, yeah, like I said, sovereignty movements, oh yeah. Monarch movements, oh yeah. Monarch, yeah.
Speaker 2:I guess for my uk folks really keep an eye on what's going to happen with the royal family, because it looks like this it's. I don't know how much longer they're gonna stand. I'm not saying that they're going to completely disintegrate, because if they survived, god, how does how many pluto and aquarius transits? They probably, but it's going to be completely. Just because that's what leo represents, and I can even go over some events that happened the last time it stationed these degrees of leo yeah go for it.
Speaker 2:So, with the years we're looking at is 1978, 1992 and 2009, and so for 1978, that was the jones town massacre, which is interesting because leo is associated with cults, cults of personality. I've actually even heard that it's associated with prophets, even false prophets, depending on what the astrology is but because apparently, from a biblical standpoint, leo the lion is considered the biblical prophet, so I just thought that was it. That's what my cousin told me.
Speaker 2:Go check me on that, wait wait, what I just thought that was interesting, Like my cousin told me that in the Bible that apparently Leo the lion is associated with prophecy.
Speaker 1:Wait, because Daniel the lion well, not the lion hunter, but Daniel the prophet was put into the lion's den.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, see, the thing is I'm familiar with the Bible, but those little specific details I'm not as well versed in. So thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 1:You're very welcome. Heck yeah, but yeah, that's kind of the point, is that those things like the jones town mascot in this all the sense sorry. For example, we leo the lion was a prophet. What?
Speaker 2:oh, no, no, no yeah, yeah yeah, thank you for clarifying that, because that could definitely be misleading. Um, let's see, yeah, anything with babies and children is also under leo's domain. The first test, two babies, so I bet, like ivf or things of that sort, might uh see some stuff happen there. Uh, the pregnancy discrimination act was passed in 1978, which is where you could not discriminate against anyone for being pregnant. Um, let's see camp david accords happen then, which I'm having a brain fart on what the camp david accords are I wrote it down now jimmy car.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Thank you, I have so much information. What was that again? Okay, oh yeah, the Equal Rights Amendment. It failed. Oh yeah, mars retrograde and cancer. A lot of women first, but of course, that's going to come with a lot of conflict, of revisiting previous issues relating to particularly reproductive rights, women's rights, women. Last time, 1978, women were integrated in the military for the first time. The largest war women's march in us history before 2017 happened. So women it's supposed to be a year for women too, so that's a perk. Um, then, in 1992, that was the end of the cold war, the official end of the cold war. How I would, you and I were talking about how there might be a conflict that ends all the wars from, particularly from the cold war period. The end of apartheid in south africa ended this year.
Speaker 2:Um, nafta passes this year, which is the north american free trade agreement um, let's see, um, oh, yeah, the day of rupaul was in, like, I think, early 1993, right after that retrograde which was, I think, a think, a big cultural moment for I'm sure NAFTA wasn't 92.
Speaker 1:Let me double check on that.
Speaker 2:No, it is. That's what I'm saying here. It says 92 and then 93, for it was saying like shortly after that retrograde, there was the debut of RuPaul. So from a cultural and art standpoint, talking about Leo, leo also is linked to sexuality. A lot of people think that's strictly Scorpio and that's actually not fully true. Mercury and even Gemini has links to that as well, but regardless. Okay, 1992 was also another massive women's march in DC, so I guess we can expect a very, very big women's turnout.
Speaker 1:But I think it's going to happen in a widespread, really quick just for to for nafta, capitals or countries submitted the agreement for ratification in 1992 and then it was ratified in 93 and put into effect in 1994 and it's also worth noting, once mars stations direct, like mars is journey. It's been almost two and a half to three months so yeah, it's sorry, that was just oh, and jay was right, oh, okay well, the thing is these types of events usually don't happen.
Speaker 2:On that you might see like the catalyst, but it usually takes a couple years to pan out. So I'm with you like it's like well ish, even though it was ratified, but it so. But that may line up a little bit if you think about sorry sorry to jump in because I know you're on Even though it was ratified, but it was established.
Speaker 1:That may line up a little bit if you think about it.
Speaker 2:Sorry to jump in because I know you were on a roll there.
Speaker 1:Oh, please do let's harp on this really quick. I don't know if harp is the right word, since it was submitted for ratification back in December of 92. It can almost be like it's still going to be in retrograde right when, when the new administration comes in on january 20th, so it could have its its foundations. They're equivalent to 1992, but it may be a little while till you see it start to rear its teeth. Is that kind of the parallel there?
Speaker 2:yeah, um, let's see, I'm like trying to read here because I have a lot of notes. How else would I go on with nafta?
Speaker 1:by the way, a lot of those issues border issues as well.
Speaker 2:Really quick with nafta.
Speaker 1:Modern standpoint a lot of the issues that, with a lot of the issues we were talking about before, you know, occupy Wall Street, all those, a lot of that had its roots in NAFTA. So for all those of you who are unfamiliar with NAFTA, it's the North American Free Trade Association, I believe right Is that what it stands for?
Speaker 2:Well, agreement. But yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:Agreement agreement. Thank you for that. And it made North America for all intents and purposes one big economic zone Loosely, where it allowed a lot of manufacturing to leave the United States and go to neighboring countries for cheaper labor, bring countries for cheaper labor. And that, in turn, really ruined a lot of cities and states, especially in the Midwest. Or something you heard a lot in the most recent election was they were talking about the Rust Belt and the Rust Belt states. The Rust Belt is where all the manufacturing jobs were.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:So the economy started to shrivel a lot for the middle class around that time because all of those jobs were shipped offshore. Yeah, like the great motors, I think was one of them A lot of car companies and just a lot of that manufacturing industry where you had good paying, middle class jobs that were then gone and there was a lot of anger that was created from that.
Speaker 1:And then fast forward to, and Occupy happened in 2011. Fast forward to 2015. You have someone coming along and saying I'm pointing the finger at who is responsible for your jobs being taken away. I was saying it's the Mexicans, which not true?
Speaker 1:not true at all, but a finger was pointed and saying they are responsible. Again, it's not everything about racism, but they are responsible. They're the ones that took your jobs when, if a lot of people understood the roots of it and understood that, no, it wasn't them who took your jobs. It was the people who sent your jobs away that were responsible for your jobs going bye-bye. So it has its roots elsewhere. This is something that happened 20 plus years before the rise of Trump. But then you know, what was happening at the time was the media especially saying oh, it's all about racism. They're just a bunch of fucking racist. No, they're not. No, they're not. Are some of them racist? Yes, are they all? No, they're not all racist. I hate to break it to you, but there are some racist Democrats too.
Speaker 2:Oh that's a whole other conversation. I'm like oh, I can verify that.
Speaker 1:If you really look at it, the rise of Trump had nothing to do with racism maybe a little bit, but it was really about economic hardship. That had its roots decades before, and you need to understand where the roots begin, to understand where you're at now and where you're going, because all it takes is sitting in a history class for all of a half an hour to understand oh, this is all economic. This is a bunch of bullshit that they're feeding me right now.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 1:So that's why it's so important that I don't want to be like wagging my finger at everyone, but these things that NJ is talking about right now, they fucking matter. They really matter Because, if you understand the events that she's referring to right now, they fucking matter. They really matter because, if you understand the events that she's referring to right now. By the way, the camp david accords that she brought up, I believe that had to do with israel, if I'm not mistaken. Is that what it?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'm not. Uh, I'm gonna quick read you out of what that is. Yeah, yeah, it was Egypt and Israeli prime minister. Okay. So, yes, it had to do with, yeah, peace between Egypt and Israel, as well as a framework which dealt with the Palestinian territories, and this was written with the partition. Oh, yeah, that's right. It was written without participation of Palestinians and was further condemned by the UN. I thought it was saying that participation of palestinians at the and was further condemned by the un. I thought it was saying that participation of palestinians at the un.
Speaker 1:Anyone, you see any parallels?
Speaker 2:you see any parallels to this.
Speaker 1:It's not just a mercury retrograde, it's the mercury retrograde in leo and cancer right that you're specifically referring to.
Speaker 2:Oh, and I need to add something about mars at your great Leo, which is reversals and strongman leadership. And so you heard the news recently of Syrian dictator who just got overthrown by Syrian rebels, so that also ties in. We will maybe see a little more of that. And when we looked at 1978 and 19 or sorry, it's 1978 and 2009. The Iranian revolution started in 1979, shortly after Mars retrograde and the similar degrees, and then in 2009, there were similarly mass protests. And in 1978 to 1979, that was actually when they overthrew. I think it was the Pavlov dynasty Let me double check Pavlov, I think it's how you say it Pahlavi dynasty in 1779.
Speaker 2:Okay, yes because it was, uh, the Iranian revolution started in January 1978, technically, and then ended in February 1979. So, uh, but yes, this year was the year of the Iranian revolution, or what we're seeing in Syria right now, and even because it's all a similar region, same with Palestine. So, yes, we are going to see far more developments of that.
Speaker 1:Do you want to add anything? Or what I mean, the parallels are there if you see them. Just that, that's it straight up. If you understand these events and what was going on at the time, you'll have a much broader understanding of what is happening in the here and now. There may be something to this whole astrology thing.
Speaker 2:That's all I'll say, I know it's like because, yeah, like there's a lot going on in the middle east and um, also, yeah, like just that syrian news really caught my eye, because the leo is the sign of the strong man and that's why pluto and leo you just saw like every country, particularly across europe and eastern europe, rise and fall the dictators. Which also brings me back to why I actually people are like, well, what makes you say the asiatic pacific? And I'm like, well, because I use a technique called zenith stars, and so I. There's a belief that particularly I'm getting this more from hawaiian astronomy and astrology that every place on earth is ruled by a star, a declinating star. It corresponds with the exact latitude, so, um, in turn, like, this star can tell you everything about what's going to happen to a place. And so I learned that the zenith for the south, uh, china sea, spanning to like sea of japan, and that part of the asiatic pacific falls under those early to mid degrees of leo, and so I can like, even to an extent, like, as you get further out, it's going towards virgo.
Speaker 2:So I thought that was interesting and as I linked up historical events, I noticed that mars, regigrade and leo often was very major, particularly through, particularly the middle, like actually the middle east too. But I think, if I remember correctly I don't remember if there was what. I have it printed out. I will look up the date and make sure I can't remember if it was mars and gemini or mars and cancer that the korean war started not during, but it was that same year, which is important because mars spends more than half the year in that sign. When it stations retrograde, it spends three months going through that part of the sky and after that it takes a hot minute to get out of it. 1948 was the last time mars stationed retrograde in cancer. So that was right after world war ii, january 8th, 19 or sorry, no, no, let's see. No, actually, excuse me, 1958 was let me double check that's venus retrograde. Excuse me, wrong one, excuse me, you can edit that one out, right I can, but I won't okay, that's fine all right hold
Speaker 2:up. Okay, that's right. That's right. 1960, mars stationed retrograde in cancer. And then in 1958 it was okay, I'm looking at 1950, excuse me, 1948. Okay, yes, 1948, mars station retrograde from seven degrees Virgo to 18 degrees Leo, january 8th to March 29th 1948. And then in 1950, it was 11 degrees Libra to 22 degrees Virgo. So that was right If it wasn't. Sometimes it's Leo when these conflicts happen, and then sometimes it's like I had something else written down. Oh, I think it's Taiwan as well that has similar like. I think that might be the one that's more prominent for Mars and Leo Y'all.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, there's a lot of information here. It's not just that Mars retrograde in Leo, it's the fact that we've got Pluto and Aquarius in opposition and this is like rare. It's a two-part opposition. So very, very, very, very rare. And again, the last time something like this happened in these signs at the exact degrees was reversed during Pearl Harbor, when Mars retrograde and acquired or not, mars retrograde. Excuse me, actually I'll double check that it was Venus, excuse me, it was Venus. And we have Venus in opposition to or sorry, it's conjunct Pluto. Mars is opposition to Pluto right now, but, regardless, venus and Mars in opposition to Pluto tends to be some of the most contentious events, uh, in conflicts. And so pearl harbor yeah, it was pluto and leo at five degrees, and it was opposition venus and aquarius at one degree. So, yeah, because venus deals a lot with your allies versus adversaries, so a lot of times there's an opposition like that, and in this go around it was venus and aquarius opposition, mars retrograde, leo it kind of has a similar effect, except it's not necessarily going to be another world war. I think it's going to have more of, uh, revolutionary implications.
Speaker 2:And again, let me see what else I was referring to. Oh, that's right, because we have a mars. That's what it was. It's not necessarily mars retrograde, leo itself, it's just having a mars retrograde so close to like. So we have mars conjunct south node at 25 degrees virgo on september or sorry, that was last time it happened was september 1st 2006 and this time it's july 25th 2025. So I'm really and I've noticed there's a connection with, like, between june and august, where some of the most major events in korea happen, and again it can be taiwan too, because you have to think they have a pretty. They're not super close, but there's a proximity, a geographical proximity there. So, and thailand also has implications here. So I'm actually reading here that there was a coop and during this last transit there was a coop in thailand in september 2000 or I don't know if it's september, but it was in 2006 at some point. As well as a lot of information leaks a lot of what's that?
Speaker 1:they had a two-seater car who. Who. He said there was a coup in Thailand.
Speaker 2:Oh, a coup d'etat, like an attempt of overthrowing the government.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're joking.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You're joking, okay. I was like, okay, so this is interesting. So last time there was this, um, yeah, there's also a lot of okay, the us embassy gets attacked during this year in syria, so I also think that's interesting. Um, again, it's okay, that's right. Oh yeah, mars retrograde and leo also happened months, like a few months before the first shot of the american revolution um, and the eclipses were also in burgo and pisces like the nodes were shifting, so I just kind of thought that was interesting as well so can I sum it up?
Speaker 1:we got some shit coming up in 2025, right?
Speaker 2:you should think with the Mars retrograde Leo. Back at that time they were resisting the imperial government from Britain, so it's the imperial sign. Well, I guess Aries could be more or less too, depending on how you look at it.
Speaker 1:All right, and Jay, are you ready to play the Saturn game?
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right. What's the Saturn game?
Speaker 1:So in this little baggie I have four periods of time.
Speaker 2:I love games.
Speaker 1:Yes, so I'm going to go put my hand in. As you can see, I like to maintain the integrity of the game, so I'm looking away and I'm mixing it up. I pull my hand out once, put it back in again, spin it up, pull my hand out twice, and now, on the third time, we're going to pull out a piece of paper. I don't know what's on this paper, but my question for you.
Speaker 2:I don't know what's on the paper.
Speaker 1:You wrote it Well, I don't know which one I picked.
Speaker 2:Okay, I was like so NJ, how have you grown in the last week? Wow, the last week, man, I think it's too big of time scales. I guess in the last week I've grown because I haven't realized that I guess boundaries I guess one way to look at it Getting better with boundaries I guess one way to look at it Getting better with boundaries. I don't know, a week is a pretty short span compared to other things, I guess.
Speaker 1:I have day in here. Do you want me to pick that one for you instead?
Speaker 2:How have I grown in the last day, I guess, aside from the tacos?
Speaker 1:Oh, that was funny. I like that. That was a very tortuous question.
Speaker 2:I'm a little bloated if that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Let's stick with it. How have you grown in the last week?
Speaker 2:I'm just kidding, I've been working on my office.
Speaker 1:That's big.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is big. I mean it's not done yet. I would have a neon strip behind me if I had more time before this, but it'll be here next time.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And there's going to be things up on the walls that's going to look like they're living in a beautiful mind. Did you ever see that movie?
Speaker 2:Yes, I have not.
Speaker 1:You should check it out.
Speaker 2:I will, I will.
Speaker 1:That's how the name suggests. I mean it is, but you'll get it.
Speaker 2:You'll just get it man.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't think you're to that extent, but you'll get it, you'll, you'll just get it, man. I mean I don't think you're to that extent, but you'll, you'll get it, you'll, you'll relate to that movie I just found more notes about what I took with like trump and the possible assassination.
Speaker 2:You want me to share it real quick. I know it's kind of random, we can go do it very quick.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's why I know the reason I came to this estimation was because he has similar transits of president William McKinley who, right after he, mars retrograde I think it was in Virgo, if I'm not mistaken, and it's once it's station direct, it hit his ascendant and it hit a, let's see.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and on that same day, in addition to, there was a cardinal grand cross with his or no, excuse me, mutable, mutable grand cross, please correct me. On that same day, in addition to, there was a cardinal grand cross with his or no, excuse me, mutable, mutable grand cross, please correct me on that A mutable grand cross. So let's see the sun, venus, kazemi and Virgo, along with the nodes in Virgo, in addition to a north node at 25, or sorry, the transiting north node, excuse me. So, even though it wasn't a grand cross in transit, you um, grand crosses is when you've got, uh, all four corners or elements in the chart facing off in a square and it's, for example, this configuration was present on october 7th and we saw how bad that was. So, oh, and you'll actually a lot of. I think both world wars, or at least one of them, started on a grand cross configuration by the way, that's energy that doesn't know what the fuck to do with itself oh yeah, no, for real.
Speaker 2:It's split in four different directions, so just sorry if that wasn't. Yeah, it's okay I have a natal grand cross for what it's worth um let me tell you watch a beautiful mind you could benefit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like so I just thought that was worth throwing out because I didn't fully answer that earlier. I'm like oh, that's right, because I have a lot of things written down that I can't recall right off the bat. But that's another reason that prompted me to make that prediction, because I was like hmm, so, with all that said, where can everyone reach you? On my instagram or even my email probably my instant.
Speaker 2:Probably my email, my instagram. So, with all that said, where can everyone reach you On my Instagram or even my email? Probably my Instagram, probably my email. My Instagram inbox is a little cluttered, so it's Well, where can everyone check out?
Speaker 1:your work.
Speaker 2:So mainly on my Instagram page. I'm currently about to get a podcast up myself and a slash YouTube channel podcast up myself and, uh, slash youtube channel and I am getting my website. All my current writing that's published on my instagram page so that will be up soon. So if you follow my instagram instagram page, you'll see those announcements when you're starting a podcast I have been sitting on that idea because it's a lot easier about this now because it's not something I decided like two days ago well, congratulations thank you because for a while I was like I don't know like podcasting just too much, like I'm horrible at audio and editing and can I give you a?
Speaker 1:do you have a title?
Speaker 2:yet I was thinking star spangled astrology bony. What's your? What's your idea?
Speaker 1:I like that better than mine, but just in case I don't know astrological shit show I love.
Speaker 2:It's just like such 180s on that one. Well, I guess star spangled, if you're looking at it from an american standpoint, it it is a shit show. Same difference, you know.
Speaker 1:For I mean, I like yours.
Speaker 2:That should be the sub line, aka an astrological shit show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that also gives you leeway to kind of like be like I don't know what you know, have the paper shuffling and everything as you're doing it, because you mean you tell everyone hey, this is what you're doing it because you mean you tell everyone hey, this is what you're tuning in for an astrological shit show. See, I think if I were running it like and I had a, because the thing is is when I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:That's actually fucking brilliant. What astrological shit show that is fucking. I mean not to like toot my own horn, but oh my god, is that not a fucking brilliant name for a podcast? Of course you don't think so it's okay I'll give it to someone else.
Speaker 2:I think it's a great subtitle headline. It goes underneath the title your astrological shit show of the week. Like it's your political astrological shit show. I don't know that's pretty cool it's not their shit show, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's the nation shit show oh, is that what you're doing?
Speaker 2:it's about yeah, it's gonna be predominantly rural, not not just rural predictions, but it'll be more like, like you're saying, like anything from a sociological, political, cultural it's gonna have. I really like talking about this. I mean, I'm used for it, like I just be speaking out to like the the wild of the threads and then everyone's just like so I, I really just need to do something interesting can I be a guest?
Speaker 2:oh, all the time I wish you could just be my regular partner, but that would mean like abandoning your podcast and whatnot, and I don't. I don't know how I feel about that, because you know it's great.
Speaker 1:So it's like why do I have to abandon my podcast?
Speaker 2:that's fair. I mean because a lot of people can't handle both. A lot of people are like no.
Speaker 1:Oh, you mean I have to do all the work. I can't just show up.
Speaker 2:No, no. Oh yeah, if you just show up and maybe help with the editing a little.
Speaker 1:That's the work.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean I can help with that part, I can do the video part. So I'm like the thing is like I'm pretty good with video editing and things of that sort. So I was like I'll just do youtube. And I was like, well then, I have to have audio editing too thank you.
Speaker 1:This could be something to talk about. We got a good dynamic. We have fun. I'm saying like I need a co-host.
Speaker 2:I think that's one thing that set me back, even though I am so independent. Co-hosts keep me accountable. I'm not good at I. I'm limited on how much I can keep myself self-accountable without falling into a shit show.
Speaker 1:Wait what? What was that word? You just used Expression. Did you just say shit show?
Speaker 2:Right, are you using my idea?
Speaker 1:It's okay, you can use it. Yeah, I'm using your idea. I'm using your idea. Yeah, anyways, thank you for coming on. Go reach nj at her instagram, which is njk astrology pretty simple njk astrology I'll include in the show notes. Yeah, and I always like to finish all these by saying yay, yay, there you go. Yay, okay, you can finish with yay, one more, yeah.
Speaker 2:That was yeah, not yay, yay, yeah, yay. No, I'm doing Genesis, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to win that one.
Speaker 2:No, I don't go. Yay, I go yeah.